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I suspect the lines are typically drawn between introverts and extroverts, so it's unfair to generalize here. I work remote and we don't have an office near me

I suspect the lines are typically drawn between introverts and extroverts, so it's unfair to generalize here. I work remote and we don't have an office near me, but I'd love to go back. My job is where I spend the majority of my life. I like to get to know the people I work with by socializing over lunch, after work social events, etc. It's how I meet people. Collaborating remotely also sucks. You miss out on a lot of non-verbal communication vs in person. It's fine if it's not your jam and all of the above sounds like hell to you - it just means I don't want to work with you.

toolz 3y ago
I struggle to see an ethical argument one could make to force rigid in-office work for anything but the smallest of companies (when the work could be done remotely). Eventually (and it won't take long) you'll hire someone that would benefit in many ways from flexible work and the only detriment will be that you would have to utilize your flexibility to satisfy your own personality traits the same as everyone else, rather than have rigid, harmful rules, that cater only to your preferences.
fernandotakai 3y ago
i'm 100% an extrovert. i still prefer working from home. why? because i like having my own office, with a door that i can close. i like that i have my own setup, specifically designed by me so i can be as comfortable as possible. i love that i can stop work for 30min and just play with my dog or talk to my wife. oh, and i LOVE that i have privacy and i don't have someone looking at what i'm doing for 8h.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  How horrible are those offices people talk about (I guess in US)? Is it really the norm that people look over your shoulder? I like when it's quiet and private but I also like to come work from an office... Even though it's a basic small shared space and I literally work from my laptop (can't be bothered to hook up the screen etc). I do like not having to do it every day so I am free to come or not but I look forward to it usually. Or I may go out to that area for other reasons and just drop by.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    If you've never seen one, an open office looks like a lan party. A really really busy and cramped one.
  - mfitton 3y ago
    At my place, there are desks (about 4 feet wide, set in rows of 6, with people's backs facing each other and no dividers). There are about 200 desks, and about 250 employees. Desks need to be reserved, keyboard, mouse and charger all need to be brought by the employee to their desk each day. 50 or so people don't get desks and have to sit on couches, stools in the kitchen with no backs, or the floor. The CEO said that we should just feel grateful that we have an air-conditioned office with snacks to come back to, poo-poo'd the concerns over: a lack of desks, the high noise-levels, the fact that most teams are distributed and so much of the open office is sitting in a remote zoom call talking over one another... It's an incredibly hard environment to work in, and I was shocked that my company's CEO was so out-of-touch. Of course, he has a private office.
    - ryandrake 3y ago
      There's nothing quite as ridiculous as an open office with row after row of employees sitting shoulder to shoulder, half of whom are loudly talking on video calls with their teams which are distributed among other offices where they are also sitting shoulder to shoulder in an open office. I'd be shocked that any deep concentration work gets done in such an environment. EDIT: Furthermore, I think some execs in tech companies (particularly those who never were engineers) really believe that's how software development happens! Like if you ask your company's CEO how software gets written, he pictures this Wall Street-like trading floor where engineers are yacking at each other, and having standup meetings and flailing about at whiteboards, and that's the sound/busy-ness of engineering being done!
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      Ouch. I see why people would WFH...
121789 3y ago
I don't think that's the only line - I am pretty introverted but like having a place outside of my home where I can work. It's enough of a "default mildly social" situation to not feel isolated or restless if I want to do something like watch a movie or read at night (and I have a partner but that's not the same). I'd say most of the variability can be explained with three questions 1. Do you have a long commute? 2. Do you have a nice working environment at the office? 3. Do you have kids?

toolz 3y ago

I struggle to see an ethical argument one could make to force rigid in-office work for anything but the smallest of companies (when the work could be done remotely). Eventually (and it won't take long) you'll hire someone that would benefit in many ways from flexible work and the only detriment will be that you would have to utilize your flexibility to satisfy your own personality traits the same as everyone else, rather than have rigid, harmful rules, that cater only to your preferences.

fernandotakai 3y ago

i'm 100% an extrovert. i still prefer working from home. why? because i like having my own office, with a door that i can close. i like that i have my own setup, specifically designed by me so i can be as comfortable as possible. i love that i can stop work for 30min and just play with my dog or talk to my wife. oh, and i LOVE that i have privacy and i don't have someone looking at what i'm doing for 8h.

throwaway290 3y ago
How horrible are those offices people talk about (I guess in US)? Is it really the norm that people look over your shoulder? I like when it's quiet and private but I also like to come work from an office... Even though it's a basic small shared space and I literally work from my laptop (can't be bothered to hook up the screen etc). I do like not having to do it every day so I am free to come or not but I look forward to it usually. Or I may go out to that area for other reasons and just drop by.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  If you've never seen one, an open office looks like a lan party. A really really busy and cramped one.
- mfitton 3y ago
  At my place, there are desks (about 4 feet wide, set in rows of 6, with people's backs facing each other and no dividers). There are about 200 desks, and about 250 employees. Desks need to be reserved, keyboard, mouse and charger all need to be brought by the employee to their desk each day. 50 or so people don't get desks and have to sit on couches, stools in the kitchen with no backs, or the floor. The CEO said that we should just feel grateful that we have an air-conditioned office with snacks to come back to, poo-poo'd the concerns over: a lack of desks, the high noise-levels, the fact that most teams are distributed and so much of the open office is sitting in a remote zoom call talking over one another... It's an incredibly hard environment to work in, and I was shocked that my company's CEO was so out-of-touch. Of course, he has a private office.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    There's nothing quite as ridiculous as an open office with row after row of employees sitting shoulder to shoulder, half of whom are loudly talking on video calls with their teams which are distributed among other offices where they are also sitting shoulder to shoulder in an open office. I'd be shocked that any deep concentration work gets done in such an environment. EDIT: Furthermore, I think some execs in tech companies (particularly those who never were engineers) really believe that's how software development happens! Like if you ask your company's CEO how software gets written, he pictures this Wall Street-like trading floor where engineers are yacking at each other, and having standup meetings and flailing about at whiteboards, and that's the sound/busy-ness of engineering being done!
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Ouch. I see why people would WFH...

121789 3y ago

I don't think that's the only line - I am pretty introverted but like having a place outside of my home where I can work. It's enough of a "default mildly social" situation to not feel isolated or restless if I want to do something like watch a movie or read at night (and I have a partner but that's not the same). I'd say most of the variability can be explained with three questions 1. Do you have a long commute? 2. Do you have a nice working environment at the office? 3. Do you have kids?