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Like it or not, ICE cars still rule, and given their prices and lack of serious used cars markets so far with adequate pricing its not changing soon (I mean eve

Like it or not, ICE cars still rule, and given their prices and lack of serious used cars markets so far with adequate pricing its not changing soon (I mean every BMW car I've bought was 20-25% of the price of new and was >95% of the car, so far they lasted 11 years / 150k km without any issues, I am not going to waste more money on cars regardless of technology). So sales of traditional ICE car manufacturers in electric space is not so important, at least for now. Given how much we destroy earth by mining all EV stuff I don't consider this as eco-friendly technology neither, at least not yet. Where I live (Switzerland) they don't plan to phase them out anytime soon. All EU goals will shift to later in future, everybody understands that, including politicians pushing for them. Also, Tesla had some good momentum in the beginning but right now they are just another e-car manufacturer among many, say Porsche beats them on everything actually important in car (apart from price, but then we talk about premium brands). So I wouldn't bet seriously on its future, it can be stellar or can flop ie if EU subsidies dry up.

mschild 3y ago
Prices are absolutely changing and the used car market for EVs is ramping up. Family member was looking for an electric car, but found new ones still a bit too expensive. There have been discounts from manufacturers. They decided to go for used. Bought a VW ID.3 for 23k Euro with 16000km. That's a car from 2 years ago. No crashes, battery still at 97% capacity.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Yeah, that's type of car I am willing to spend max 6-7k used, in OK condition. Of course it won't be 2 years old, thats fine. That's the prices I am talking about.
  - mschild 3y ago
    That's fair and I'm not suggesting it's perfect. Even used EVs are expensive but it no surprise given the initial cost. Originally, that car sold for around 40k. That's a ~50% drop in 2 years and that car wasn't an outlier. Stands to reason that with advancing age and ever cheaper EVs we will see cheap used ones in your price range in a few years.

mschild 3y ago

Prices are absolutely changing and the used car market for EVs is ramping up. Family member was looking for an electric car, but found new ones still a bit too expensive. There have been discounts from manufacturers. They decided to go for used. Bought a VW ID.3 for 23k Euro with 16000km. That's a car from 2 years ago. No crashes, battery still at 97% capacity.

saiya-jin 3y ago
Yeah, that's type of car I am willing to spend max 6-7k used, in OK condition. Of course it won't be 2 years old, thats fine. That's the prices I am talking about.
- mschild 3y ago
  That's fair and I'm not suggesting it's perfect. Even used EVs are expensive but it no surprise given the initial cost. Originally, that car sold for around 40k. That's a ~50% drop in 2 years and that car wasn't an outlier. Stands to reason that with advancing age and ever cheaper EVs we will see cheap used ones in your price range in a few years.