4 ms·
Won’t work? How will these non-workers pay for things? They’ll have no choice but to work.
by Zetice 3y ago
Won’t work? How will these non-workers pay for things?
They’ll have no choice but to work.
- nkozyra 3y agoDepends on the timeline. Things are changing very rapidly. Automation seems to be coming at us at an exponential rate. The expectation that it's going to be business as usual is just as short sighted and archaic with regard going into an office as it is with the idea of work in general.
- missingdays 3y agoSo far automation helps rich people get richer, and that's about it
- nkozyra 3y agoIs this not true of every watershed technological breakthrough?
- halgir 3y agoOh boy, I'm excited for the massive wealth creation of this exponential growth to trickle down to workers.
- welshwelsh 3y agoNo need to wait, the future is now. I've already seen huge gains in income and work-life balance by spending time automating my workflow. I hope that by "trickle down to the workers" you aren't talking about technically illiterate workers who are not actively contributing to the automation effort. Unfortunately, they will receive some benefits as well, which is completely undeserved.
- nkozyra 3y ago> I've already seen huge gains in income and work-life balance by spending time automating my workflow. Sure, most of us have used copilot or other AI tools and seen some benefit. But there's a point of no return where suddenly those tools are able to do the other things we think only we can. What happens then?
- halgir 3y ago> I hope that by "trickle down to the workers" you aren't talking about technically illiterate workers who are not actively contributing to the automation effort. I'm talking about every single human being who has been brought into this world through no fault of their own and deserves our empathy on that point alone.
- nkozyra 3y agoCertainly not an argument I'm making. But if you're making UBI at bare minimum you won't have to iron your polo shirt and khakis every morning.
- halgir 3y agoYou're right, sorry for the cynical tone. I do hope the level of automation we're aiming for will benefit everyone, not just a few individual owners and us lucky tech workers who have found ourselves in demand lately.
- mrbgty 3y agoHow will the company stay in business without workers? They'll have no choice...
- commonlisp94 3y agoThey have plenty of choices, including: - visa workers who have no bargaining power. - younger people who are mobile - moving offices to other places There have been a few recent posts about struggling to find jobs... every time it turns out they are only applying to online listings for remote jobs, and have high standards. That's not a situation you're likely to stand out in. I just don't see how global remote work as the norm is "pro worker" for anyone except those already well established in their career. Besides being more disposable, what happened to complaints about companies not providing job resources or training? Did we give up on that one?
- Zetice 3y agoAn understaffed company will last infinitely longer than an individual without a job.
- mrbgty 3y agoThat's a wild generalization
- tiborsaas 3y agoThere's always someone who's willing to work regardless of WFH policy. What would probably happen is that companies are lowering their standards of hiring.
- rabuse 3y agoIt's a two-way street between employers and employees.
- acuozzo 3y agoEver hear of The New Deal? It was necessary because many, many US citizens hit hard by The Great Depression figured out in that time how to live without depending on regular (or any) work. Tent cities; hunting; scavenging; farming; begging; stealing; mutual aid networks; etc. It wasn't the best life, but for many it was found to be preferable to the factories or the docks. To even consider returning to living a life dependent on a wage, Uncle Sam needed to offer them a new deal.
- Zetice 3y agoWe've since invented air conditioning (among other things), so I doubt this is a relevant point.