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These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that make

These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual. I wonder how this data collection squares with GDPR?

bogwog 3y ago
> These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. Everyone seems to be aware of the protests in Hollywood, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to tie that to privacy issues. Those AI models taking artists' jobs were trained with data scraped from the internet. Even if you aren't an artist, there's a risk that the data these companies collect on you will be used to train an AI model that will take your job, so you shouldn't be giving it away for free.
- ollien 3y ago
  I do think that's a bit of a stretch. Regardless of your opinions on the ethics of AI companies training on scraped data, how is scraping publicly available artistic works a privacy issue? Me, personally, I might call it unethical and undesirable, but I wouldn't call it an issue of "privacy" on its face.
- barbariangrunge 3y ago
  There’s no union of people vs surveillance tech to act on our behalf
landemva 3y ago
> The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual. I have watched the voluntary full body scans at TSA checkpoints for years and have concluded people do not care to opt out of any data collection. The people don't care, or how many people do you see opting out of full body scans at TSA? People gleefully pose for TSA's new and voluntary facial recognition. People go along with coercion even by government, so why do you think we can rely on government to solve privacy issues?
- dijit 3y ago
  Ha! I get so much shit from my partner because I refuse to go through those scanners. I don't make a big scene about it, but it's fun to note how much social pressure there is to just follow. Most Airports are actually totally fine with the opt-out, except the British ones for some reason. "You won't always be able to opt out y'know" - yes mate, but then I probably won't fly anymore.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > "You won't always be able to opt out y'know" What a strange thing to say. Maybe not, but you are able to opt out right now, and that's what matters most at that moment.
- kube-system 3y ago
  > how many people do you see opting out of full body scans at TSA They're all in the pre-check line.
  - landemva 3y ago
    An airline put me in precheck a few years ago due to FF status. Now it requires an application to government and fingerprint. And global entry (immigration) wants an eyeball scan. Biometric collection to avoid a TSA massage is not privacy.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      If you want to ALL avoid biometric collection when you travel, you're pretty much out of luck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#/media/File:Countries_with_Biometric_Passports.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#/media/File... https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics
      - arcticbull 3y ago
        Then of course every country in the world records you on arrival.

bogwog 3y ago

> These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. Everyone seems to be aware of the protests in Hollywood, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to tie that to privacy issues. Those AI models taking artists' jobs were trained with data scraped from the internet. Even if you aren't an artist, there's a risk that the data these companies collect on you will be used to train an AI model that will take your job, so you shouldn't be giving it away for free.

ollien 3y ago
I do think that's a bit of a stretch. Regardless of your opinions on the ethics of AI companies training on scraped data, how is scraping publicly available artistic works a privacy issue? Me, personally, I might call it unethical and undesirable, but I wouldn't call it an issue of "privacy" on its face.
barbariangrunge 3y ago
There’s no union of people vs surveillance tech to act on our behalf

landemva 3y ago

> The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual. I have watched the voluntary full body scans at TSA checkpoints for years and have concluded people do not care to opt out of any data collection. The people don't care, or how many people do you see opting out of full body scans at TSA? People gleefully pose for TSA's new and voluntary facial recognition. People go along with coercion even by government, so why do you think we can rely on government to solve privacy issues?

dijit 3y ago
Ha! I get so much shit from my partner because I refuse to go through those scanners. I don't make a big scene about it, but it's fun to note how much social pressure there is to just follow. Most Airports are actually totally fine with the opt-out, except the British ones for some reason. "You won't always be able to opt out y'know" - yes mate, but then I probably won't fly anymore.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > "You won't always be able to opt out y'know" What a strange thing to say. Maybe not, but you are able to opt out right now, and that's what matters most at that moment.
kube-system 3y ago
> how many people do you see opting out of full body scans at TSA They're all in the pre-check line.
- landemva 3y ago
  An airline put me in precheck a few years ago due to FF status. Now it requires an application to government and fingerprint. And global entry (immigration) wants an eyeball scan. Biometric collection to avoid a TSA massage is not privacy.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    If you want to ALL avoid biometric collection when you travel, you're pretty much out of luck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#/media/File:Countries_with_Biometric_Passports.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport#/media/File... https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics
    - arcticbull 3y ago
      Then of course every country in the world records you on arrival.