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But if Intel "wins", it means yet another instance of corporate consolidation, where a majority market holder of one markets (CPUs) destroys a whole different m

by izacus 3y ago

But if Intel "wins", it means yet another instance of corporate consolidation, where a majority market holder of one markets (CPUs) destroys a whole different market (GPUs) by integrating and price dumping their products into the majority/monopoly market. It'll be really hard to compete for AMD Radeon cards and nVidia itself against Intel if they aggresively price dump their GPUs and use typical megacorporation tactics to push out and destroy competition. Why would you want that? Why not root for an independent GPU company? Where does this love for megaconglomerates consolidating whole markets come from?

ajross 3y ago
> It'll be really hard to compete for AMD Radeon cards and nVidia itself against Intel if they aggresively price dump their GPUs and use typical megacorporation tactics to push out and destroy competition. AMD's market cap has been higher than Intel's for the last year, and NVIDIA is more than seven times higher. Apple is twice again as big. Surely this logic goes the other way. It's Intel and AMD and ARM Ltd. that are at the mercy of the big players dumping their way to dominance. But obviously that's not happening. The competitive landscape in this industry is just fine. More products means more innovation and lower prices and bigger markets. That's just capitalism 101, really. > Where does this love for megaconglomerates consolidating whole markets come from? Nowhere, because that's just a strawman. I'm sure people here would love to see a GPU startup launch a product. But we're talking about Arc in this thread, and that seems like a good product too.
- izacus 3y ago
  Why do you think market cap has non-tangential relevancy here?
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    It is a common metric for the power of a corporation, since it is the amount of money their stock is worth in total. What do you propose instead?
  - ajross 3y ago
    It's a measure (probably the single best one) of the financial resources a company can bring to bear on a problem. The contention upthread was about "price dumping" and "megacorporation tactics", which surely implies that big companies can do bad things to smaller players with their bigger resources. And it turns out that Intel is a small player in this particular field, as it happens. The logic just doesn't work.
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by izacus 3y ago

ajross 3y ago

> It'll be really hard to compete for AMD Radeon cards and nVidia itself against Intel if they aggresively price dump their GPUs and use typical megacorporation tactics to push out and destroy competition. AMD's market cap has been higher than Intel's for the last year, and NVIDIA is more than seven times higher. Apple is twice again as big. Surely this logic goes the other way. It's Intel and AMD and ARM Ltd. that are at the mercy of the big players dumping their way to dominance. But obviously that's not happening. The competitive landscape in this industry is just fine. More products means more innovation and lower prices and bigger markets. That's just capitalism 101, really. > Where does this love for megaconglomerates consolidating whole markets come from? Nowhere, because that's just a strawman. I'm sure people here would love to see a GPU startup launch a product. But we're talking about Arc in this thread, and that seems like a good product too.

izacus 3y ago
Why do you think market cap has non-tangential relevancy here?
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  It is a common metric for the power of a corporation, since it is the amount of money their stock is worth in total. What do you propose instead?
- ajross 3y ago
  It's a measure (probably the single best one) of the financial resources a company can bring to bear on a problem. The contention upthread was about "price dumping" and "megacorporation tactics", which surely implies that big companies can do bad things to smaller players with their bigger resources. And it turns out that Intel is a small player in this particular field, as it happens. The logic just doesn't work.

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