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You pay for some combination of: 1) The historical artifact. Case manufactured in original factory, IC's manufactured back in the day under (in this case) Comm

You pay for some combination of: 1) The historical artifact. Case manufactured in original factory, IC's manufactured back in the day under (in this case) Commodore's supervision, etc. In this case,"original condition" is paramount. Some may be happy with minor fixups like replacing electrolytic capacitors, power supply, broken connectors, replace dead IC or whatever. Some may want as original as possible, in working order or not. 2) The look & feel, having original-looking machine in front of them, that (as much as possible) connects to the same peripherals original machine does. And runs software exactly like original machine would. In this case, most buyers won't care (or even prefer) various upgrades / replacements, as long as that look & feel remains. See eg. CPLD or FPGA based replacement parts, new keyboards, or "mini" versions of systems like the NES. That C64-in-a-joystick or similar is grey area here. :-) I suspect user group pursuing 2) is larger than those pursuing 1). Let alone the purists among them. Software emulators are just a lower-bar, easier way to tip one's toes in the water (or do sw development).

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SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
Your assumption is unjustified TBH, because HN comment section is not representative of retro community. Now I also cannot understand how something can feel same as old historic device - this is not true even for differen gens of the same hardware. Say Apple-IIe feel substantially different from IIc and deeifferent generations of Sony PS 1 are also feel different. In any case I would agree with title "100% new C64" if it were made from silicon level replica of chips, not FPGA's, much like new 6502 sold on aliexpress are generally good replicas of NMOS 6502, with the quirks and even current consumption faithfully reproduced, not some Xilinx Spartan-based simulacrum of the real thing.
- vidarh 3y ago
  The retro community is what drives the demand for these replacements.
  - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
    Because there is no modern period-accvurate replicas. There is a reason NOS components command high prices.
    - vidarh 3y ago
      That might be an argument if the only market was for projects like the linked one, which provide drop in replacement for period-accurate replicas, but the market is also full of full FPGA reimplementations and machines that adds all kinds of additional features, which shows there's a substantial portion of the retro community who don't care even about whether the result provides accurate reproductions.
      - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
        This is not a market for retro, it is a market for replicas, an entirely different one. Still a replica is a replica, and should not be advertised as a brand new original machine, which the original title (before edit) was about.

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SomeoneFromCA 3y ago

Your assumption is unjustified TBH, because HN comment section is not representative of retro community. Now I also cannot understand how something can feel same as old historic device - this is not true even for differen gens of the same hardware. Say Apple-IIe feel substantially different from IIc and deeifferent generations of Sony PS 1 are also feel different. In any case I would agree with title "100% new C64" if it were made from silicon level replica of chips, not FPGA's, much like new 6502 sold on aliexpress are generally good replicas of NMOS 6502, with the quirks and even current consumption faithfully reproduced, not some Xilinx Spartan-based simulacrum of the real thing.

vidarh 3y ago
The retro community is what drives the demand for these replacements.
- SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
  Because there is no modern period-accvurate replicas. There is a reason NOS components command high prices.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    That might be an argument if the only market was for projects like the linked one, which provide drop in replacement for period-accurate replicas, but the market is also full of full FPGA reimplementations and machines that adds all kinds of additional features, which shows there's a substantial portion of the retro community who don't care even about whether the result provides accurate reproductions.
    - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
      This is not a market for retro, it is a market for replicas, an entirely different one. Still a replica is a replica, and should not be advertised as a brand new original machine, which the original title (before edit) was about.