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Nah, widespread air filtration would cut down a number of infections, as would masking in healthcare settings. But to the parent’s point, these are not implemen

Nah, widespread air filtration would cut down a number of infections, as would masking in healthcare settings. But to the parent’s point, these are not implemented because of lack of efficacy, but because they’re contrary to the (false) narrative of “Mission Accomplished.” If we reacted to water-borne illnesses in the way we’ve done to COVID, we’d have cholera everywhere and kids still being crippled by polio.

lll-o-lll 3y ago
Yes. I do not understand why we were apparently willing to create huge, lasting, economic and societal damage via lockdowns, but my kids school won’t pony up the few thousand for air filtration.
- jl6 3y ago
  Cost vs benefit.
  - mrob 3y ago
    But air filtration is cheaper than lockdowns, and probably more effective because it can be kept in place permanently.
    - lll-o-lll 3y ago
      It also works on all respiratory virus’s, bushfire smoke, various other pollutants…
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      It isn't a silver bullet.
      - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
        Neither is soap, do you wash your hands?
        jacquesm 3y ago
        I was referring to the 'Swiss cheese' model, and GP argues that ventilation is a substitute for lockdowns, it isn't. But both are better than either and either is better than none.
    - lm28469 3y ago
      Planes have pretty good air filtration systems yet people got sick in them, it's not like the air you breath out goes straight through a filter stack.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  Laziness and general stupidity rules the day.
jl6 3y ago
Cholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid and water is much easier to treat than air. I’m not sure where you’re getting the mission accomplished attitude but from what I can tell it’s simply an acknowledgement that the risks have reduced to an acceptable level, and the costs of doing anything much different are too high.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  I'm continually surprised by the parallels between Polio and COVID and yet the common understanding puts them in two very separate categories. > Polio is a viral infection that used to be common in the UK but is now rare. > Most people who had polio would have fought off the infection without even realising they were infected. > Some people with polio would have had paralysis, muscle weakness and shrinking of the muscles. But usually these problems would have either gone away over the following weeks or months, or remained the same for years afterwards. > Post-polio syndrome is where some of these symptoms develop or get worse many years or decades after the original polio infection. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/
  - meijer 3y ago
    Polio is much more dangerous for small children, though. This could make quite a difference.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  > Cholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid > During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm > An estimated 1.3 to 4 million people around the world get cholera each year and 21,000 to 143,000 people die. https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html > COVID-19 was associated with approximately 244,000 deaths in the United States during January–December 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm So no, not really.
lm28469 3y ago
> but because they’re contrary to the (false) narrative of “Mission Accomplished.” I don't think you understand the cost of installing and maintaining that level of air filtration in every single public and office buildings on a world scale
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  I don’t think you understand the costs associated with contracting the labor force because of ongoing illness, disability, and deaths.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Short of mandatory hazmat suits you'd still get that, plus the cost of filtration, good luck retrofitting anything built more than 20 years ago too. Plus you'd have to do it for personal homes and flats too

lll-o-lll 3y ago

Yes. I do not understand why we were apparently willing to create huge, lasting, economic and societal damage via lockdowns, but my kids school won’t pony up the few thousand for air filtration.

jl6 3y ago
Cost vs benefit.
- mrob 3y ago
  But air filtration is cheaper than lockdowns, and probably more effective because it can be kept in place permanently.
  - lll-o-lll 3y ago
    It also works on all respiratory virus’s, bushfire smoke, various other pollutants…
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    It isn't a silver bullet.
    - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
      Neither is soap, do you wash your hands?
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I was referring to the 'Swiss cheese' model, and GP argues that ventilation is a substitute for lockdowns, it isn't. But both are better than either and either is better than none.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Planes have pretty good air filtration systems yet people got sick in them, it's not like the air you breath out goes straight through a filter stack.
CalRobert 3y ago
Laziness and general stupidity rules the day.

jl6 3y ago

Cholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid and water is much easier to treat than air. I’m not sure where you’re getting the mission accomplished attitude but from what I can tell it’s simply an acknowledgement that the risks have reduced to an acceptable level, and the costs of doing anything much different are too high.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
I'm continually surprised by the parallels between Polio and COVID and yet the common understanding puts them in two very separate categories. > Polio is a viral infection that used to be common in the UK but is now rare. > Most people who had polio would have fought off the infection without even realising they were infected. > Some people with polio would have had paralysis, muscle weakness and shrinking of the muscles. But usually these problems would have either gone away over the following weeks or months, or remained the same for years afterwards. > Post-polio syndrome is where some of these symptoms develop or get worse many years or decades after the original polio infection. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/
- meijer 3y ago
  Polio is much more dangerous for small children, though. This could make quite a difference.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
> Cholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid > During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm > An estimated 1.3 to 4 million people around the world get cholera each year and 21,000 to 143,000 people die. https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html > COVID-19 was associated with approximately 244,000 deaths in the United States during January–December 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm So no, not really.

lm28469 3y ago

> but because they’re contrary to the (false) narrative of “Mission Accomplished.” I don't think you understand the cost of installing and maintaining that level of air filtration in every single public and office buildings on a world scale

bugglebeetle 3y ago
I don’t think you understand the costs associated with contracting the labor force because of ongoing illness, disability, and deaths.
- lm28469 3y ago
  Short of mandatory hazmat suits you'd still get that, plus the cost of filtration, good luck retrofitting anything built more than 20 years ago too. Plus you'd have to do it for personal homes and flats too