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Reality is that only severe measures like lockdowns are effective at containing the spread of respiratory illnesses (and even then it’s debatable how effective)
by jl6 3y ago
Reality is that only severe measures like lockdowns are effective at containing the spread of respiratory illnesses (and even then it’s debatable how effective), and most people have accepted the risks so they don’t have to go through that again.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoNah, widespread air filtration would cut down a number of infections, as would masking in healthcare settings. But to the parent’s point, these are not implemented because of lack of efficacy, but because they’re contrary to the (false) narrative of “Mission Accomplished.” If we reacted to water-borne illnesses in the way we’ve done to COVID, we’d have cholera everywhere and kids still being crippled by polio.
- lll-o-lll 3y agoYes. I do not understand why we were apparently willing to create huge, lasting, economic and societal damage via lockdowns, but my kids school won’t pony up the few thousand for air filtration.
- jl6 3y agoCost vs benefit.
- mrob 3y agoBut air filtration is cheaper than lockdowns, and probably more effective because it can be kept in place permanently.
- lll-o-lll 3y agoIt also works on all respiratory virus’s, bushfire smoke, various other pollutants…
- jacquesm 3y agoIt isn't a silver bullet.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoNeither is soap, do you wash your hands?
- jacquesm 3y agoI was referring to the 'Swiss cheese' model, and GP argues that ventilation is a substitute for lockdowns, it isn't. But both are better than either and either is better than none.
- lm28469 3y agoPlanes have pretty good air filtration systems yet people got sick in them, it's not like the air you breath out goes straight through a filter stack.
- CalRobert 3y agoLaziness and general stupidity rules the day.
- jl6 3y agoCholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid and water is much easier to treat than air. I’m not sure where you’re getting the mission accomplished attitude but from what I can tell it’s simply an acknowledgement that the risks have reduced to an acceptable level, and the costs of doing anything much different are too high.
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoI'm continually surprised by the parallels between Polio and COVID and yet the common understanding puts them in two very separate categories. > Polio is a viral infection that used to be common in the UK but is now rare. > Most people who had polio would have fought off the infection without even realising they were infected. > Some people with polio would have had paralysis, muscle weakness and shrinking of the muscles. But usually these problems would have either gone away over the following weeks or months, or remained the same for years afterwards. > Post-polio syndrome is where some of these symptoms develop or get worse many years or decades after the original polio infection. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-polio-syndrome/
- meijer 3y agoPolio is much more dangerous for small children, though. This could make quite a difference.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago> Cholera and Polio were much more severe illnesses than Covid > During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm > An estimated 1.3 to 4 million people around the world get cholera each year and 21,000 to 143,000 people die. https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/general/index.html > COVID-19 was associated with approximately 244,000 deaths in the United States during January–December 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm So no, not really.
- lm28469 3y ago> but because they’re contrary to the (false) narrative of “Mission Accomplished.” I don't think you understand the cost of installing and maintaining that level of air filtration in every single public and office buildings on a world scale
- bugglebeetle 3y agoI don’t think you understand the costs associated with contracting the labor force because of ongoing illness, disability, and deaths.
- lm28469 3y agoShort of mandatory hazmat suits you'd still get that, plus the cost of filtration, good luck retrofitting anything built more than 20 years ago too. Plus you'd have to do it for personal homes and flats too
- aaa_aaa 3y agoLock downs were the worst thing states ever done to humanity at a global scale.
- hef19898 3y agoYour knowledge of hostory clearly is limited.
- infecto 3y agoIf you disagree with the statement you should simply state the reasons why. There is no need to make inflammatory statements.
- wholinator2 3y agoWorld Wars? My knowledge of history is admittedly lacking but the only thing my common perception can come up with is wars, has humanity ever been able to come together on a global scale like that for anything other than war and the aftermath alliance forming?
- infecto 3y agoI don’t disagree with you but the comment I responded to which has now been edited was pretty rude with some additional remarks. I don’t have any skin in the original opinion, I just thought the additional remarks he left were pretty mean.
- thumbuddy 3y agoWhy do they need to explain it if all this person did was spout propaganda without explaining anything? Weird double standard to me personally...
- infecto 3y agoNo double standard. Parent to mine edited his comment but he left extra colored remarks at the end. I don’t agree or disagree with the original comment. Just thought it was poor taste for the now removed remarks he left.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoNo, Ventillation, Upper Room UV and ventillation are all effective But notnwe have hand sanitiser which is not even relevant.
- krona 3y agoThe R0 of Omicron (BA.5) is estimated to be around 18.6. Unless you live alone in the woods, you're going to pass it on to many people if you catch it, probably before you realise you even had it.
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