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> From what I hear, the team really going for broke on trying to get ML workloads fully supported. I've been waiting on AMD to do that. Embarrassingly, it loo

> From what I hear, the team really going for broke on trying to get ML workloads fully supported. I've been waiting on AMD to do that. Embarrassingly, it looks like Intel will get there faster than AMD.

RF_Savage 3y ago
Maybe Intel has less baggage and can target what they know people actually use?
- vbezhenar 3y ago
  My opinion is that Intel has excellent software culture compared to other hardware companies. It might be one reason.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    I'm a loyal Intel customer because their stuff is, in general, straight up less janky and more practically reliable than AMD's stuff. I agree that Intel knows how to do software in ways that AMD simply doesn't.
scrlk 3y ago
I think you'll be in for Another Massive Disappointment (AMD). The software/driver woes in their graphics division have been going on for years at this point with no clear path forward, just some statements about how they plan to fix it in the future (e.g. handling the geohot AMD rant back in June). It's not just ML either - on the gaming side, some people swallow the Nvidia price premium for the better drivers.
- yaseer 3y ago
  Agreed, Nvidia's dominance is annoying. I made irrational purchasing decisions in the past to support the underdog, likening it to using Firefox. Unfortunately with AMD you just get a worse product. This space sorely needs more competition.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    What's annoying is that things don't have to be this way. If our chipmakers like Apple, AMD and Intel were able to actually work together, we could make a proper GPGPU library that puts CUDA in the grave. Nvidia is betting on these companies being driven further apart though, and they just won't stop being proven right. We need FAANG to put aside their differences to fund an alternative, or else FAANG will suffer the consequences.
- Arn_Thor 3y ago
  for games I think the driver gap has narrowed quite a bit
- jorvi 3y ago
  Nvidia’s drivers are of horrid quality. They basically been break-fix-break-fix-break-fix on Destiny 2 and Sea of Thieves, with the broken version dropping a locked 144FPS PC to ~50FPS. They seem to employ zero regression testing.
- meragrin_ 3y ago
  > I think you'll be in for Another Massive Disappointment (AMD). Nah, I pretty much gave up on AMD when the 7000 series launch was imminent and still no ML real support for the 6000 series. Not that I was even expecting anything. With the way Intel Arc is coming along, any ML support for Radeon is just a bonus. I refuse to pay the Nvidia tax until it becomes clear there is no other option again. Nvidia just really rubbed me the wrong way with the latest generation.

RF_Savage 3y ago

Maybe Intel has less baggage and can target what they know people actually use?

vbezhenar 3y ago
My opinion is that Intel has excellent software culture compared to other hardware companies. It might be one reason.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  I'm a loyal Intel customer because their stuff is, in general, straight up less janky and more practically reliable than AMD's stuff. I agree that Intel knows how to do software in ways that AMD simply doesn't.

scrlk 3y ago

I think you'll be in for Another Massive Disappointment (AMD). The software/driver woes in their graphics division have been going on for years at this point with no clear path forward, just some statements about how they plan to fix it in the future (e.g. handling the geohot AMD rant back in June). It's not just ML either - on the gaming side, some people swallow the Nvidia price premium for the better drivers.

yaseer 3y ago
Agreed, Nvidia's dominance is annoying. I made irrational purchasing decisions in the past to support the underdog, likening it to using Firefox. Unfortunately with AMD you just get a worse product. This space sorely needs more competition.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  What's annoying is that things don't have to be this way. If our chipmakers like Apple, AMD and Intel were able to actually work together, we could make a proper GPGPU library that puts CUDA in the grave. Nvidia is betting on these companies being driven further apart though, and they just won't stop being proven right. We need FAANG to put aside their differences to fund an alternative, or else FAANG will suffer the consequences.
Arn_Thor 3y ago
for games I think the driver gap has narrowed quite a bit
jorvi 3y ago
Nvidia’s drivers are of horrid quality. They basically been break-fix-break-fix-break-fix on Destiny 2 and Sea of Thieves, with the broken version dropping a locked 144FPS PC to ~50FPS. They seem to employ zero regression testing.
meragrin_ 3y ago
> I think you'll be in for Another Massive Disappointment (AMD). Nah, I pretty much gave up on AMD when the 7000 series launch was imminent and still no ML real support for the 6000 series. Not that I was even expecting anything. With the way Intel Arc is coming along, any ML support for Radeon is just a bonus. I refuse to pay the Nvidia tax until it becomes clear there is no other option again. Nvidia just really rubbed me the wrong way with the latest generation.