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Relapsing myocarditis following initial recovery of post Covid vaccination

18 points by johntfella 3y ago

rlt 3y ago
Remember when some people were advocating others lose their jobs or be denied medical care if they chose not to get vaccinated? Maybe we should reflect on that.
- xqcgrek2 3y ago
  > advocating others lose their jobs or be denied medical care if they chose not to get vaccinated? It wasn't just advocating, it happened to people.
  - slater 3y ago
    Should we feel bad for folks who fell for misinformation campaigns, took horse meds, and as a result died...?
    - rlt 3y ago
      > took horse meds You’re still doing that? Ok. > immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
      - slater 3y ago
        Nice dodge, but just an example. Other examples would be the US president at the time suggesting using bleach.
        rlt 3y ago
        Dude, keep these examples coming. I hate defending the guy, but regardless of how dumb it was he was obviously hypothesizing, never mentioned bleach, and outright said "it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me". No one injected bleach or other disinfectant based on these comments. > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." I'm surprised you haven't mentioned hydroxychloroquine. There was that one case of someone dying after consuming fish tank cleaner. I'm not denying some people died because of misinformation or their own stubborn biases, but the level to which people like yourself created your own misinformation, demonized people, built up straw men / caricatures was insane. Maybe it could be forgiven in the fog of war, but to double down and continue doing it at this point warrants some serious self-reflection.
- resource0x 3y ago
  The courts should reflect on that.
- adamredwoods 3y ago
  Or we should reflect on myocarditis, and ignore people who lost their jobs for ill-defined anti-vaccination reasons.
penjelly 3y ago
shouldnt say this but. I honestly think the vaccine has caused persistent GERD for me. Since vaccination ive developed consrant reflux resulting in post nasal drip and it actually negatively impact my life (daily coughing). Before vax i dont think i had these issues. Im probably alone in this, but getting vax actually seems to have lowered my quality of life.
- ggm 3y ago
  GERD is shit, and can emerge for lots of reasons. Mine came from my hypertension meds and then uplift to nexium to deal with that. My partner's comes from a herniated oesophagus which required keyhole surgery. I'm not saying it wasn't the vaccine, I am saying its got a mixture of root causes and you might want to not discount them Also: Get this treated. Constant reflux can trigger Barrat's disease which requires surgery, its potentially cancerous.
  - penjelly 3y ago
    im not discounting them, im well aware there is nuance in everything. Even so, those are my thoughts
- adamredwoods 3y ago
  Correlation does not imply causation. https://amplitude.com/blog/causation-correlation https://amplitude.com/blog/causation-correlation Sunny weather ==> eating ice cream ==> getting sunburned
0x486566e7279 3y ago
From the discussion in the paper: > Viral myocarditis unrelated to mRNA COVID-19 vaccination are life-threatening conditions and have been reported to lead to heart failure and cardiac transplantation, or death [3]. Conversely, current scientific evidence shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccination result in a more favorable outcome with quicker resolution of symptoms [1], [2], [6].
icantbebothered 3y ago
Yet how much worse off would they be had they caught Covid instead of the vaccine?
- h2odragon 3y ago
  who didn't have covid, vaccine or no?
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    [Not same poster] I've dodged it so far, but I have no illusions that I'm anything beyond lucky. Such questions should really be phrased in terms of statistics. Confirmed cases cover about ~10% of the global population [0], and it's reasonable to expect the true number is much higher, like ~44% a year ago. [1] [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-cases-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-cases-re... [1] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/estimate-less-half-world-has-had-covid-19 https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/estimate-less-half-world-has-had-...

18 points by johntfella 3y ago

rlt 3y ago

Remember when some people were advocating others lose their jobs or be denied medical care if they chose not to get vaccinated? Maybe we should reflect on that.

xqcgrek2 3y ago
> advocating others lose their jobs or be denied medical care if they chose not to get vaccinated? It wasn't just advocating, it happened to people.
- slater 3y ago
  Should we feel bad for folks who fell for misinformation campaigns, took horse meds, and as a result died...?
  - rlt 3y ago
    > took horse meds You’re still doing that? Ok. > immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
    - slater 3y ago
      Nice dodge, but just an example. Other examples would be the US president at the time suggesting using bleach.
      - rlt 3y ago
        Dude, keep these examples coming. I hate defending the guy, but regardless of how dumb it was he was obviously hypothesizing, never mentioned bleach, and outright said "it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me". No one injected bleach or other disinfectant based on these comments. > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." I'm surprised you haven't mentioned hydroxychloroquine. There was that one case of someone dying after consuming fish tank cleaner. I'm not denying some people died because of misinformation or their own stubborn biases, but the level to which people like yourself created your own misinformation, demonized people, built up straw men / caricatures was insane. Maybe it could be forgiven in the fog of war, but to double down and continue doing it at this point warrants some serious self-reflection.
resource0x 3y ago
The courts should reflect on that.
adamredwoods 3y ago
Or we should reflect on myocarditis, and ignore people who lost their jobs for ill-defined anti-vaccination reasons.

penjelly 3y ago

shouldnt say this but. I honestly think the vaccine has caused persistent GERD for me. Since vaccination ive developed consrant reflux resulting in post nasal drip and it actually negatively impact my life (daily coughing). Before vax i dont think i had these issues. Im probably alone in this, but getting vax actually seems to have lowered my quality of life.

ggm 3y ago
GERD is shit, and can emerge for lots of reasons. Mine came from my hypertension meds and then uplift to nexium to deal with that. My partner's comes from a herniated oesophagus which required keyhole surgery. I'm not saying it wasn't the vaccine, I am saying its got a mixture of root causes and you might want to not discount them Also: Get this treated. Constant reflux can trigger Barrat's disease which requires surgery, its potentially cancerous.
- penjelly 3y ago
  im not discounting them, im well aware there is nuance in everything. Even so, those are my thoughts
adamredwoods 3y ago
Correlation does not imply causation. https://amplitude.com/blog/causation-correlation https://amplitude.com/blog/causation-correlation Sunny weather ==> eating ice cream ==> getting sunburned

0x486566e7279 3y ago

From the discussion in the paper: > Viral myocarditis unrelated to mRNA COVID-19 vaccination are life-threatening conditions and have been reported to lead to heart failure and cardiac transplantation, or death [3]. Conversely, current scientific evidence shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccination result in a more favorable outcome with quicker resolution of symptoms [1], [2], [6].

icantbebothered 3y ago

Yet how much worse off would they be had they caught Covid instead of the vaccine?

h2odragon 3y ago
who didn't have covid, vaccine or no?
- Terr_ 3y ago
  [Not same poster] I've dodged it so far, but I have no illusions that I'm anything beyond lucky. Such questions should really be phrased in terms of statistics. Confirmed cases cover about ~10% of the global population [0], and it's reasonable to expect the true number is much higher, like ~44% a year ago. [1] [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-cases-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-cases-re... [1] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/estimate-less-half-world-has-had-covid-19 https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/estimate-less-half-world-has-had-...