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The thing you're glossing over is that a lot of Trump voters weren't really voting "for" Trump so much as against Democrats. This also happens on the other sid

The thing you're glossing over is that a lot of Trump voters weren't really voting "for" Trump so much as against Democrats. This also happens on the other side as well, most people I know that supported Biden only did so because he wasn't Trump. Democrats have some policy positions that are troubling for a lot of voters. Gun control is a big one. Much of rural America will vote against Democrats every time just on that one issue alone. Also, defunding the police is unpopular with many voters. There are also many who have moral concerns about gender transition surgeries for minors or allowing biological males to compete in women's sports. Also, the quality of Democrat candidates for 2016 and 2020 was very low.

jfengel 3y ago
Regardless of the opinion of the Democratic candidates, they were not literally criminals, and not obviously incompetent. I don't particularly care if you voted for Biden only because he wasn't Trump. That seems like kind of the absolute bare minimum level of agreement -- one that tens of millions of Americans fell below. With it, we can at least pretend to hold a national conversation about policy issues you're discussing. Without it, the entire proposition of democracy appears to fall apart.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  > Regardless of the opinion of the Democratic candidates, they were not literally criminals What crime was Trump convicted of?
  - freshpots 3y ago
    Many things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_af... and accused of many more, additionally, indicted for over a dozen more. His foundation was convicted of stealing from a cancer charity, his fake university defrauded students: "Donald Trump was found to have defrauded students, and was forced to pay $25 million in restitution." At this point, if you ask such a question, you are exposing yourself as either ignorant, a blind supporter, or a sea lion. This is not acceptable behavior and you should know it, just like Trump's behavior. Especially the highly documented criminal behavior related to Jan 6th and stealing classified documents, hiding them from investigators, lying about it, etc. At this point if you are not aware of this.....it appears that you have decided to be for whatever reasons you chose. It is time to reevaluate how/what you believe in.

jfengel 3y ago

Regardless of the opinion of the Democratic candidates, they were not literally criminals, and not obviously incompetent. I don't particularly care if you voted for Biden only because he wasn't Trump. That seems like kind of the absolute bare minimum level of agreement -- one that tens of millions of Americans fell below. With it, we can at least pretend to hold a national conversation about policy issues you're discussing. Without it, the entire proposition of democracy appears to fall apart.

lockhouse 3y ago
> Regardless of the opinion of the Democratic candidates, they were not literally criminals What crime was Trump convicted of?
- freshpots 3y ago
  Many things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_af... and accused of many more, additionally, indicted for over a dozen more. His foundation was convicted of stealing from a cancer charity, his fake university defrauded students: "Donald Trump was found to have defrauded students, and was forced to pay $25 million in restitution." At this point, if you ask such a question, you are exposing yourself as either ignorant, a blind supporter, or a sea lion. This is not acceptable behavior and you should know it, just like Trump's behavior. Especially the highly documented criminal behavior related to Jan 6th and stealing classified documents, hiding them from investigators, lying about it, etc. At this point if you are not aware of this.....it appears that you have decided to be for whatever reasons you chose. It is time to reevaluate how/what you believe in.