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I think the point wasn't that Saxony and Saxons were terrible people in general, but rather that if you're non-white you might get smashed in the face or murde

by fcsp 3y ago

I think the point wasn't that Saxony and Saxons were terrible people in general, but rather that if you're non-white you might get smashed in the face or murdered on the street if you're unlucky, and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany. Which seems fair to me given recent history.

blueflow 3y ago
> and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany Police data for battery/assault 2019: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2019/InteraktiveKarten/06GefaehrlicheSchwereKoerperverletzung/06_GefaehrlicheSchwereKoerperverletzung_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Homicides 2020: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2020/InteraktiveKarten/03MordTotschlagToetungAufVerlangen/03_MordTotschlagToetungAufVerlangen_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Its not keyed up for race-based crimes, but less crime means also less space for race-based crimes. Wherever this narrative came from, its dishonest. Its in every thread about Silicon Saxony.
- fcsp 3y ago
  You seem to be on some mission on this thread, maybe you should take a step back and reflect the discussion and arguments. 1. Hate crimes are hugely different from battery/assault, so I'm not sure how your reference adds anything 2. Police data is not a trustworthy source, as police is biased too. Just check some news articles about police refusing to even take in a report about hate crime, where this is more likely to happen, and consider what this means for the stats you're quoting
  - blueflow 3y ago
    1. Hate crimes don't exist in Germany. It cant be measured like in the US because its not a thing. 2. You distrust police data and then tell me to refer to journalists instead. Same people who need to exaggerate their findings to generate income. What am i doing here. You should be the one bringing up numbers on how Saxony is worse.
    - fcsp 3y ago
      Believe it or not, hate crimes do exist in Germany. Maybe not as a legal term, but that's a legal thing and a political decision. You cannot forbid the term to be applied single handedly. And if a political decision was made to not count something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However, based on your cliché populist statement of distrusting any media because it's biased, I don't see a point in continuing.
      - blueflow 3y ago
        You are rejecting my statement based on people you associate it with (populists), not because you have a factual counter.

by fcsp 3y ago

blueflow 3y ago

> and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany Police data for battery/assault 2019: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2019/InteraktiveKarten/06GefaehrlicheSchwereKoerperverletzung/06_GefaehrlicheSchwereKoerperverletzung_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Homicides 2020: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2020/InteraktiveKarten/03MordTotschlagToetungAufVerlangen/03_MordTotschlagToetungAufVerlangen_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Its not keyed up for race-based crimes, but less crime means also less space for race-based crimes. Wherever this narrative came from, its dishonest. Its in every thread about Silicon Saxony.

fcsp 3y ago
You seem to be on some mission on this thread, maybe you should take a step back and reflect the discussion and arguments. 1. Hate crimes are hugely different from battery/assault, so I'm not sure how your reference adds anything 2. Police data is not a trustworthy source, as police is biased too. Just check some news articles about police refusing to even take in a report about hate crime, where this is more likely to happen, and consider what this means for the stats you're quoting
- blueflow 3y ago
  1. Hate crimes don't exist in Germany. It cant be measured like in the US because its not a thing. 2. You distrust police data and then tell me to refer to journalists instead. Same people who need to exaggerate their findings to generate income. What am i doing here. You should be the one bringing up numbers on how Saxony is worse.
  - fcsp 3y ago
    Believe it or not, hate crimes do exist in Germany. Maybe not as a legal term, but that's a legal thing and a political decision. You cannot forbid the term to be applied single handedly. And if a political decision was made to not count something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However, based on your cliché populist statement of distrusting any media because it's biased, I don't see a point in continuing.
    - blueflow 3y ago
      You are rejecting my statement based on people you associate it with (populists), not because you have a factual counter.