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> The pandemic has had devastating impacts on learning https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-tak

> The pandemic has had devastating impacts on learning https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-take-to-help-students-catch-up/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-deva... > Nine-year-olds lost the equivalent of two decades of progress in math and reading, according to an authoritative national test. Fourth and eighth graders also recorded sweeping declines, particularly in math, with eighth-grade scores falling in 49 of 50 states. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learning-loss.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learnin... > By the spring of 2022, according to our calculations, the average student was half a year behind in math and a third of a year behind in reading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pandemic-learning-losses-steep-but-not-permanent.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pande... > Students “lost out on about 35% of a normal school year’s worth of learning” when in-person learning stopped during the public health crisis, according to a paper published Monday in the journal Nature Human Behaviour. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-study-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-st...

jml78 3y ago
And you obviously don’t think kids can’t recover or excel. Kids are resilient
- freedude 3y ago
  Their resiliency isn't the issue. The issue is the harm caused by an unnecessary social experiment. The fact is some won't recover as well as others.
  - jml78 3y ago
    It must be nice to live in a world where you judge actions with perfect vision of what science will say 3 years after the fact.
    - infamouscow 3y ago
      Holy hell. I'm not even sure what to make of this. If you need scientific evidence to know a priori rapidly transitioning K-12 in person education to remote learning would lead to catastrophic consequences, you need to go back to school yourself. You don't get to push people down and trample over them just because you were afraid when the fire alarm went off.
      - jml78 3y ago
        This isn’t Reddit. “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity” Those are just some of the rules here.
        infamouscow 3y ago
        Continuing to move goal posts rather than conceding and completely ignoring the links provided which refute your argument are indications this is not a productive discussion and suggest you're arguing in bad faith. Instead of replying to points, you're trying to distract from the lack of argument by referring to the rules. You can do both, but choose not to.
        jml78 3y ago
        I have asked if you believe it is possible for kids to recover. Let me be plain. I haven’t insulted you. Haven’t been rude to you. You have taken that approach. So I will ask directly. Do you believe kids can recover from being 6 months behind? I am not arguing that overall many kids might have gotten 6 months behind as you linked. I am arguing it can be overcome. You don’t seem to want to address that
        infamouscow 3y ago
- infamouscow 3y ago
  You're arguing a straw-man rather than the evidence put forward.
  - jml78 3y ago
    No, I am saying kids can recover. Your position is they obviously can’t
    - dent9876543 3y ago
      But we're not routinely applying the same logic to LC. It's pretty obvious that in the majority of cases, LC sufferers will /eventually/ recover. What's the difference?
      - jml78 3y ago
        As a parent of two kids in the US public education system, I just don't view our system as being good in general. I will get around to your question in a moment. Long before covid, we were doing "irreparable" harm to our children by continuing to educate our children under the current system. Way worse than Covid lockdowns ever did. We have all the science to show our education system is pretty much horrible. We have examples of exactly how to improve it but we don't have any stomach to do it. So yes, I don't see the 6 month covid impact on education being a big deal when the whole system is screwed. We are doing the exact opposite of what good countries are doing to educate their population (e.g. Finland). As to the comparison to LC. LC still doesn't have an underlying mechanism that can be pointed to. So saying people will recover isn't correct. My wife has an autoimmune disease, could she spontaneous go into remission? Sure I guess. Same with LC folks. But we don't know the mechanisms at work here. We have all the science to get almost every kid back on track and ahead of where they should be if we had the appetite to fix it. The US just has no political will to make the education changes we need. But that has nothing to do with Covid

jml78 3y ago

And you obviously don’t think kids can’t recover or excel. Kids are resilient

freedude 3y ago
Their resiliency isn't the issue. The issue is the harm caused by an unnecessary social experiment. The fact is some won't recover as well as others.
- jml78 3y ago
  It must be nice to live in a world where you judge actions with perfect vision of what science will say 3 years after the fact.
  - infamouscow 3y ago
    Holy hell. I'm not even sure what to make of this. If you need scientific evidence to know a priori rapidly transitioning K-12 in person education to remote learning would lead to catastrophic consequences, you need to go back to school yourself. You don't get to push people down and trample over them just because you were afraid when the fire alarm went off.
    - jml78 3y ago
      This isn’t Reddit. “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity” Those are just some of the rules here.
      - infamouscow 3y ago
        Continuing to move goal posts rather than conceding and completely ignoring the links provided which refute your argument are indications this is not a productive discussion and suggest you're arguing in bad faith. Instead of replying to points, you're trying to distract from the lack of argument by referring to the rules. You can do both, but choose not to.
        jml78 3y ago
        I have asked if you believe it is possible for kids to recover. Let me be plain. I haven’t insulted you. Haven’t been rude to you. You have taken that approach. So I will ask directly. Do you believe kids can recover from being 6 months behind? I am not arguing that overall many kids might have gotten 6 months behind as you linked. I am arguing it can be overcome. You don’t seem to want to address that
        infamouscow 3y ago
infamouscow 3y ago
You're arguing a straw-man rather than the evidence put forward.
- jml78 3y ago
  No, I am saying kids can recover. Your position is they obviously can’t
  - dent9876543 3y ago
    But we're not routinely applying the same logic to LC. It's pretty obvious that in the majority of cases, LC sufferers will /eventually/ recover. What's the difference?
    - jml78 3y ago
      As a parent of two kids in the US public education system, I just don't view our system as being good in general. I will get around to your question in a moment. Long before covid, we were doing "irreparable" harm to our children by continuing to educate our children under the current system. Way worse than Covid lockdowns ever did. We have all the science to show our education system is pretty much horrible. We have examples of exactly how to improve it but we don't have any stomach to do it. So yes, I don't see the 6 month covid impact on education being a big deal when the whole system is screwed. We are doing the exact opposite of what good countries are doing to educate their population (e.g. Finland). As to the comparison to LC. LC still doesn't have an underlying mechanism that can be pointed to. So saying people will recover isn't correct. My wife has an autoimmune disease, could she spontaneous go into remission? Sure I guess. Same with LC folks. But we don't know the mechanisms at work here. We have all the science to get almost every kid back on track and ahead of where they should be if we had the appetite to fix it. The US just has no political will to make the education changes we need. But that has nothing to do with Covid