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Out of all the bad things Google has done, WEI was what made you feel that? I don't even think WEI is unanimously bad.

by Kiro 3y ago

surajrmal 3y ago
It feels like folks reacting to WEI are just riding a wave of publicity and outlash. There are many reasons that WEI sounds like a good idea, but a reasonable debate can't even occur in the current climate. I would like the ability to improve websites' trust in me, and use services that are free of bots, but apparently giving me the ability to do that might somehow endanger folks rights to not do that so I am not going to be allowed to? What's next, people will be outraged that I show my state issued id before entering age restricted stores?
- adambatkin 3y ago
  I believe that the concern is that it will infringe on some people's ability to use their computers to interact with some websites (something which is vital to living in our modern society). My computers all run Linux and I use Firefox so this is a personal issue for a lot of people. As someone who is only able to use sites like Netflix on my computer through the continued generosity of a bunch of large corporations (honestly it's really good fortune) this makes me extremely uncomfortable. Especially since the whole point of EME was to prevent privacy and it hasn't done that (100% of Netflix content is trivially available to anyone via a multitude of pirate sites) so...
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  How can parties which have no power have any kind of dialogue with a megacorp with billions of dollars. From a thousand miles up the only level of dissatisfaction that is even noticeable is the kind where people throw their androids in a lake and switch to Apple and Bing. Exactly zero folks are liable to notice that you have a subtle nuanced analysis regarding their strategic direction with a feature. It would be like you telling a star about how you feel about how they wore their hair at a show 3 weeks ago. Your opinion is either invisible or irrelevant.
- hightrix 3y ago
  > There are many reasons that WEI sounds like a good idea I know I'm biased in my opinion on WEI, my initial reaction was extremely negative. That said, I'm willing to be open minded here. As a user, how does WEI benefit me? I can easily see how WEI benefit's advertising companies like Google and how it benefits advertisers that want to track their campaign's effectiveness. What I can't see is how it benefits a user of the web. I don't care if I'm responding to a bot if the conversation is meaningful, nor do I care if a bot posted some content to whatever content feed I'm currently browsing because I like to see content and it doesn't matter if a bot or human posted it, to me. What is the benefit in "improving websites' trust in me" to me as a user? As a web developer, I do not trust my users nor would I ever trust them. This is a core principal in application development.
  - jsnell 3y ago
    You'll have to solve fewer captchas. You'll see less spam in website comments. Fewer websites will be behind a login wall.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      > You'll see less spam in website comments. The "give up your freedom to prevent crime" argument isn't new or compelling. I'd rather keep what little privacy I have and put up with spammers. As for captchas and logins, I'm not sure that'll change much. Websites still want to spam us so they'll keep asking for our email addresses, and companies still have AI to train so they still have to force us to identify buses and crosswalks. I also don't care for the idea of participating in a protection racket. "Just give us all your data and we'll stop annoying you by demanding it" isn't much better than "just pay us and we'll stop trashing your property"
    - hightrix 3y ago
      > You'll have to solve fewer captchas. Alright, you got me. There is a tiny, minor, insignificant benefit. This is not worth giving up any control of my own PC. > You'll see less spam in website comments. Highly unlikely. This will be defeated by spammers just like every other attempt to stop them is. > Fewer websites will be behind a login wall. Not just highly unlikely, but absolutely not going to happen. No site that currently requires login will change to not require login. No site will give up that user data.
jchw 3y ago
Put briefly, yes. And I do think WEI is unanimously bad. I am alarmed that anyone thinks this is a reasonable idea.

Out of all the bad things Google has done, WEI was what made you feel that? I don't even think WEI is unanimously bad.

by Kiro 3y ago

Out of all the bad things Google has done, WEI was what made you feel that? I don't even think WEI is unanimously bad.

It feels like folks reacting to WEI are just riding a wave of publicity and outlash. There are many reasons that WEI sounds like a good idea, but a reasonable debate can't even occur in the current climate. I would like the ability to improve websites' trust in me, and use services that are free of bots, but apparently giving me the ability to do that might somehow endanger folks rights to not do that so I am not going to be allowed to? What's next, people will be outraged that I show my state issued id before entering age restricted stores?

adambatkin 3y ago
I believe that the concern is that it will infringe on some people's ability to use their computers to interact with some websites (something which is vital to living in our modern society). My computers all run Linux and I use Firefox so this is a personal issue for a lot of people. As someone who is only able to use sites like Netflix on my computer through the continued generosity of a bunch of large corporations (honestly it's really good fortune) this makes me extremely uncomfortable. Especially since the whole point of EME was to prevent privacy and it hasn't done that (100% of Netflix content is trivially available to anyone via a multitude of pirate sites) so...
michaelmrose 3y ago
How can parties which have no power have any kind of dialogue with a megacorp with billions of dollars. From a thousand miles up the only level of dissatisfaction that is even noticeable is the kind where people throw their androids in a lake and switch to Apple and Bing. Exactly zero folks are liable to notice that you have a subtle nuanced analysis regarding their strategic direction with a feature. It would be like you telling a star about how you feel about how they wore their hair at a show 3 weeks ago. Your opinion is either invisible or irrelevant.
hightrix 3y ago
> There are many reasons that WEI sounds like a good idea I know I'm biased in my opinion on WEI, my initial reaction was extremely negative. That said, I'm willing to be open minded here. As a user, how does WEI benefit me? I can easily see how WEI benefit's advertising companies like Google and how it benefits advertisers that want to track their campaign's effectiveness. What I can't see is how it benefits a user of the web. I don't care if I'm responding to a bot if the conversation is meaningful, nor do I care if a bot posted some content to whatever content feed I'm currently browsing because I like to see content and it doesn't matter if a bot or human posted it, to me. What is the benefit in "improving websites' trust in me" to me as a user? As a web developer, I do not trust my users nor would I ever trust them. This is a core principal in application development.
- jsnell 3y ago
  You'll have to solve fewer captchas. You'll see less spam in website comments. Fewer websites will be behind a login wall.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > You'll see less spam in website comments. The "give up your freedom to prevent crime" argument isn't new or compelling. I'd rather keep what little privacy I have and put up with spammers. As for captchas and logins, I'm not sure that'll change much. Websites still want to spam us so they'll keep asking for our email addresses, and companies still have AI to train so they still have to force us to identify buses and crosswalks. I also don't care for the idea of participating in a protection racket. "Just give us all your data and we'll stop annoying you by demanding it" isn't much better than "just pay us and we'll stop trashing your property"
  - hightrix 3y ago
    > You'll have to solve fewer captchas. Alright, you got me. There is a tiny, minor, insignificant benefit. This is not worth giving up any control of my own PC. > You'll see less spam in website comments. Highly unlikely. This will be defeated by spammers just like every other attempt to stop them is. > Fewer websites will be behind a login wall. Not just highly unlikely, but absolutely not going to happen. No site that currently requires login will change to not require login. No site will give up that user data.

jchw 3y ago

Put briefly, yes. And I do think WEI is unanimously bad. I am alarmed that anyone thinks this is a reasonable idea.