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Kids almost never transmitted Covid in schools, a major new study shows

9 points by freedude 3y ago

infamouscow 3y ago
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- jml78 3y ago
  My kids excelled during Covid. Why? My first grader got thru 4th grade math by summer after Covid started. My 6th grader finished high school world history. My opinion is that you are being overly dramatic. We actually kept our kids out of school even when school allowed kids back in person. Mostly due to the fact my wife is immunocompromised. My rising 5th grader is ahead of where his brother was going into 5th grade and my rising 9th grader is ahead of where most 9th graders are. All because of Covid happening.
  - infamouscow 3y ago
    > The pandemic has had devastating impacts on learning https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-take-to-help-students-catch-up/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-deva... > Nine-year-olds lost the equivalent of two decades of progress in math and reading, according to an authoritative national test. Fourth and eighth graders also recorded sweeping declines, particularly in math, with eighth-grade scores falling in 49 of 50 states. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learning-loss.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learnin... > By the spring of 2022, according to our calculations, the average student was half a year behind in math and a third of a year behind in reading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pandemic-learning-losses-steep-but-not-permanent.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pande... > Students “lost out on about 35% of a normal school year’s worth of learning” when in-person learning stopped during the public health crisis, according to a paper published Monday in the journal Nature Human Behaviour. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-study-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-st...
    - jml78 3y ago
      And you obviously don’t think kids can’t recover or excel. Kids are resilient
      - freedude 3y ago
        Their resiliency isn't the issue. The issue is the harm caused by an unnecessary social experiment. The fact is some won't recover as well as others.
        jml78 3y ago
        It must be nice to live in a world where you judge actions with perfect vision of what science will say 3 years after the fact.
        infamouscow 3y ago
        Holy hell. I'm not even sure what to make of this. If you need scientific evidence to know a priori rapidly transitioning K-12 in person education to remote learning would lead to catastrophic consequences, you need to go back to school yourself. You don't get to push people down and trample over them just because you were afraid when the fire alarm went off.
        jml78 3y ago
        This isn’t Reddit. “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity” Those are just some of the rules here.
        infamouscow 3y ago
        Continuing to move goal posts rather than conceding and completely ignoring the links provided which refute your argument are indications this is not a productive discussion and suggest you're arguing in bad faith. Instead of replying to points, you're trying to distract from the lack of argument by referring to the rules. You can do both, but choose not to.
mytailorisrich 3y ago
Hmm, here my experience is that once someone had it it quickly spread through the class... The only person in our family who's caught is our son who clearly caught it from school since at the time life was only home, school bus, school. Schools were hotbeds of transmission.
- paulrpotts 3y ago
  My family got it from a brief, outdoor, masked exposure to a kid who was in public schools. My kids are all homeschooled but the public school still facilitated our infection and my long COVID. I don’t have much confidence in that study.
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important. "Almost never" is an oxymoron that negates the meanings of these words. "My grandfather was almost never killed by mesothelioma, until that one time in the 80s." Try "rarely" instead, for the effect you want.
- freedude 3y ago
  When you get around to reading the article you will realize this title was copied from the Author's blog. Which in turn was indicated in the study he refers to in the blog. Do yourself a positive and read the article prior to posting the rules. Please refer to the title of the rules section you refer to above, which states "PREFER ORIGINAL, JOURNALISTIC TITLES" Also, the usage of the "almost never" does make sense in the context of the study abstract and the article discussing the study. Whereas your example is over the top. That said I do prefer "rarely" per your suggestion but I didn't write the article and I chose to retain the Original, Journalistic title when submitting the article due to reading the journalist informed take on the study.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    When you're done personally attacking me, please consider that my objection was to your use of capitalized words, which mistake you repeated in your comment. Please use italics or something. Thanks. > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".
    - freedude 3y ago
      It appears personal attacks are being flung from both directions. If you are offended by the capitalization perhaps you are too easily offended. Regardless, I literally copied and pasted the title from the author and your original complaint said nothing about the capitalization but attempted to enforce a rule that was preempted by the rule's title.
defrost 3y ago
Reading the fine details this comes across as a vindication of agressive social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination in a single small relatively well funded US state that played things "as safe as reasonably possible" from the get go. Two comparison periods: Masking was required in classrooms during both periods; In both periods, available vaccines had high effectiveness in preventing transmission of circulating variants. During F20/S21, mask use of both the index case and contact was associated with lower odds of school-associated transmission relative to mask nonuse. With both individuals masked, there was an 88% decrease in relative odds of in-school transmission. During F21, classroom exposure and vaccination of the contact were associated with transmission. A fully vaccinated contact had a 96% decrease in relative odds of in-school transmission. Studies have shown that schools with mask policies had fewer cases of SARS-CoV-2 during the 2020-2021 school year, Interestingly, in F21, despite a more transmissible variant (Delta) and greater classroom density, mask use was no longer found to be associated with reduced transmission; instead, vaccination of the in-school contact was the most protective factor. The big take home was that (surprise, surprise) well funded communities saw lower infection rates than disadvantaged communities. this study is the first to our knowledge to show that students and staff exposed to SARS-CoV-2 at school were more likely to become infected if they lived in districts with greater social vulnerability, even when vaccination status, distance, and other factors of transmission risk were considered. Schools with more resources may have had more ability to implement ventilatory improvements, a factor known to reduce transmission in schools.

9 points by freedude 3y ago

infamouscow 3y ago

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jml78 3y ago
My kids excelled during Covid. Why? My first grader got thru 4th grade math by summer after Covid started. My 6th grader finished high school world history. My opinion is that you are being overly dramatic. We actually kept our kids out of school even when school allowed kids back in person. Mostly due to the fact my wife is immunocompromised. My rising 5th grader is ahead of where his brother was going into 5th grade and my rising 9th grader is ahead of where most 9th graders are. All because of Covid happening.
- infamouscow 3y ago
  > The pandemic has had devastating impacts on learning https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-devastating-impacts-on-learning-what-will-it-take-to-help-students-catch-up/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-pandemic-has-had-deva... > Nine-year-olds lost the equivalent of two decades of progress in math and reading, according to an authoritative national test. Fourth and eighth graders also recorded sweeping declines, particularly in math, with eighth-grade scores falling in 49 of 50 states. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learning-loss.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/briefing/pandemic-learnin... > By the spring of 2022, according to our calculations, the average student was half a year behind in math and a third of a year behind in reading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pandemic-learning-losses-steep-but-not-permanent.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/11/opinion/pande... > Students “lost out on about 35% of a normal school year’s worth of learning” when in-person learning stopped during the public health crisis, according to a paper published Monday in the journal Nature Human Behaviour. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-study-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-learning-loss-st...
  - jml78 3y ago
    And you obviously don’t think kids can’t recover or excel. Kids are resilient
    - freedude 3y ago
      Their resiliency isn't the issue. The issue is the harm caused by an unnecessary social experiment. The fact is some won't recover as well as others.
      - jml78 3y ago
        It must be nice to live in a world where you judge actions with perfect vision of what science will say 3 years after the fact.
        infamouscow 3y ago
        Holy hell. I'm not even sure what to make of this. If you need scientific evidence to know a priori rapidly transitioning K-12 in person education to remote learning would lead to catastrophic consequences, you need to go back to school yourself. You don't get to push people down and trample over them just because you were afraid when the fire alarm went off.
        jml78 3y ago
        This isn’t Reddit. “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity” Those are just some of the rules here.
        infamouscow 3y ago
        Continuing to move goal posts rather than conceding and completely ignoring the links provided which refute your argument are indications this is not a productive discussion and suggest you're arguing in bad faith. Instead of replying to points, you're trying to distract from the lack of argument by referring to the rules. You can do both, but choose not to.

mytailorisrich 3y ago

Hmm, here my experience is that once someone had it it quickly spread through the class... The only person in our family who's caught is our son who clearly caught it from school since at the time life was only home, school bus, school. Schools were hotbeds of transmission.

paulrpotts 3y ago
My family got it from a brief, outdoor, masked exposure to a kid who was in public schools. My kids are all homeschooled but the public school still facilitated our infection and my long COVID. I don’t have much confidence in that study.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

> Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important. "Almost never" is an oxymoron that negates the meanings of these words. "My grandfather was almost never killed by mesothelioma, until that one time in the 80s." Try "rarely" instead, for the effect you want.

freedude 3y ago
When you get around to reading the article you will realize this title was copied from the Author's blog. Which in turn was indicated in the study he refers to in the blog. Do yourself a positive and read the article prior to posting the rules. Please refer to the title of the rules section you refer to above, which states "PREFER ORIGINAL, JOURNALISTIC TITLES" Also, the usage of the "almost never" does make sense in the context of the study abstract and the article discussing the study. Whereas your example is over the top. That said I do prefer "rarely" per your suggestion but I didn't write the article and I chose to retain the Original, Journalistic title when submitting the article due to reading the journalist informed take on the study.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  When you're done personally attacking me, please consider that my objection was to your use of capitalized words, which mistake you repeated in your comment. Please use italics or something. Thanks. > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".
  - freedude 3y ago
    It appears personal attacks are being flung from both directions. If you are offended by the capitalization perhaps you are too easily offended. Regardless, I literally copied and pasted the title from the author and your original complaint said nothing about the capitalization but attempted to enforce a rule that was preempted by the rule's title.

defrost 3y ago

Reading the fine details this comes across as a vindication of agressive social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination in a single small relatively well funded US state that played things "as safe as reasonably possible" from the get go. Two comparison periods: Masking was required in classrooms during both periods; In both periods, available vaccines had high effectiveness in preventing transmission of circulating variants. During F20/S21, mask use of both the index case and contact was associated with lower odds of school-associated transmission relative to mask nonuse. With both individuals masked, there was an 88% decrease in relative odds of in-school transmission. During F21, classroom exposure and vaccination of the contact were associated with transmission. A fully vaccinated contact had a 96% decrease in relative odds of in-school transmission. Studies have shown that schools with mask policies had fewer cases of SARS-CoV-2 during the 2020-2021 school year, Interestingly, in F21, despite a more transmissible variant (Delta) and greater classroom density, mask use was no longer found to be associated with reduced transmission; instead, vaccination of the in-school contact was the most protective factor. The big take home was that (surprise, surprise) well funded communities saw lower infection rates than disadvantaged communities. this study is the first to our knowledge to show that students and staff exposed to SARS-CoV-2 at school were more likely to become infected if they lived in districts with greater social vulnerability, even when vaccination status, distance, and other factors of transmission risk were considered. Schools with more resources may have had more ability to implement ventilatory improvements, a factor known to reduce transmission in schools.