> >without it other computers can [...] lie about their identity > Are you saying that my demand to not have a server control what my client does is an act of

> >without it other computers can [...] lie about their identity > Are you saying that my demand to not have a server control what my client does is an act of control over what their computer does? Yes. The owner of that computer does not want to serve your requests and you want to prevent them from exerting that control over their computer. >Like if I told you not to use your forklift to take my stuff, I'm asserting power over your property? Yes that is what is being argued here. Forklift owners demanding the right to lie about using a forklift to property owners like Google who do not want to allow forklifts to take their stuff.