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> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I

> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. If I'm affected by this, I'm canceling it and donating the equivalent between NewPipe [2] and Piped.video [3] I truly despise this company. No matter what you do or how much money you give them, you are always the product to Google - never the customer. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34385025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34385025 [2] https://newpipe.net/ https://newpipe.net/ [3] https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped

mistrial9 3y ago
> I truly despise this company. maybe it felt good to say that, but don't expect any change. The number one hated company in the USA for years according to some poll, is monopoly cable TV in many regions. "hate" all you want, they know that, and they hire people who are increasingly immune to feedback. basically, I agree with you here in California.. with the added content that some of those who hold stock in that company are the ones buying overpriced houses.
dangus 3y ago
I don’t understand why people get so upset over being recommended content. You can stick to the subscriptions tab. You can search YouTube from your browser (!yt in DDG) Somehow YouTube wronged you by doing…what exactly? Raising prices? And who didn’t raise prices?
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  I’m more upset at the quality of the recommended content. I yearn for a YouTube recommendation engine as good as TikTok.
- lazycouchpotato 3y ago
  It's just annoying a) not having control over how I want to consume my content, b) the fact that I spent all this time cleaning up my Google account history just for them to potentially throw water on my efforts, and c) I'm paying them for them to do this to me. To start off, I already lost two of my favourite ways to consume content this year: Flamingo for Twitter and Sync for Reddit (the latter thankfully resurrected as a Lemmy app). I do use the Subscriptions tab, but that's for existing channels I found via YT's recommendations. I can't add more if I can't find more. My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff. !yt is only as useful as the results YT provides, which they've recently messed with as well. If I search for "pizza" I'm provided with results that have absolutely nothing to do with pizza. https://i.imgur.com/gxhNViW.png https://i.imgur.com/gxhNViW.png I checked the transcripts of both Architectural Digest videos - not once was "pizza" mentioned. The "Fresh Guacamole" film has no dialogue, and is also not about pizza. It's about guacamole. I think it's general consensus that Google's consumer products have been on a decline. Just 2 days ago "Google Maps has become an eyesore" was at the top of HN with 764 points [1]. If I search "Google Search" on HN, the top post that shows up is "Google Search Is Dying" with 3636 points [2]. And we're all familiar with the infamous Google Graveyard [3]. I enjoy not seeing ads and being able to support the creators I watch (Premium viewers apparently earn creators more money than ad-supported viewers [4]). I just think it's reasonable to want some control over what and how I feed them information about myself, if I'm paying $14 a month. I understand that costs for a lot of other things have gone up, it's still annoying to be affected by it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37030044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37030044 [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=Google+search https://hn.algolia.com/?q=Google+search [3] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ [4] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154 https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154
  - dangus 3y ago
    > My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff. This passage shines above the rest of the complaints, which feel more philosophical than tangible to me. The HN consensus mostly just points out the opinion of a small and vocal community. M In your screenshot you scrolled past the results to a different section of the page. Keep scrolling and you get more results (maybe that’s bad UI but again like you said it’s working perfectly). It’s also notable that the more popular TV, tablet, and phone apps don’t work this way.
wintermutestwin 3y ago
>I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. The first burn is that you are paying them with money AND your data (which they now can link to your CC#). I'd be more than happy to pay for a service like YT to get it ad free as long as it doesn't harvest my data (for any damn purpose).
- PicassoCTs 3y ago
  The willingness to pay, actually makes you a more valuable customer to premium services, it reclassifies you for the 2nd tier web. Like a higher-refined product for advertisers.
  - winternett 3y ago
    Subscriptions are indeed being used to trigger class-ism covertly by companies more than ever, but it's a terrible form of discrimination because many can use bootleg credit cards, or even decide to cancel subscriptions/// Those that cancel or don't pay suffer unknowingly on basic service now pelted with even more ads to subscribe, and possibly even their uploads are held back when they are not a premium user. This needs to be killed as a practice, otherwise the future is going to be pay to breathe everywhere... Dreadful.
sdfghswe 3y ago
> I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. What are you paying for, exactly? Youtube is already free. Actually wait, I don't want to know. I'm happy with my life, there's no way that knowing this will improve it.
- ender341341 3y ago
  no ads on non-browser devices (and browser based as they've taken stronger stances against ad-blockers). The amount of ads I see people watch is ridiculous, I can't stand them at all anymore.
  - sdfghswe 3y ago
    What about pihole? What about watching less TV/youtube?
    - ender341341 3y ago
      > What about pihole? I had trouble with pi-hole breaking things and requiring too much manual intervention (compared to browser based ones that I can toggle with a mouse click without changing screens). > What about watching less TV/youtube? I generally have youtube on pretty much all day for music as I haven't found anything else that approaches it for music recommendations (which is pretty sad as they're still not great).
- lazycouchpotato 3y ago
  I was previously in an apartment that had its own internet setup, using my Xbox to watch what was basically more ads than video. I don't think there's a way to set up a PiHole on their connection (maybe there is, but at the time a Raspberry Pi would cost more than a year's worth of YT Premium.. I was also not aware of NextDNS back then). That, and Premium views apparently pay creators more than ad-supported views [1], so I justified it that way. [1] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154 https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154
- joe_guy 3y ago

mistrial9 3y ago

> I truly despise this company. maybe it felt good to say that, but don't expect any change. The number one hated company in the USA for years according to some poll, is monopoly cable TV in many regions. "hate" all you want, they know that, and they hire people who are increasingly immune to feedback. basically, I agree with you here in California.. with the added content that some of those who hold stock in that company are the ones buying overpriced houses.

dangus 3y ago

I don’t understand why people get so upset over being recommended content. You can stick to the subscriptions tab. You can search YouTube from your browser (!yt in DDG) Somehow YouTube wronged you by doing…what exactly? Raising prices? And who didn’t raise prices?

nickthegreek 3y ago
I’m more upset at the quality of the recommended content. I yearn for a YouTube recommendation engine as good as TikTok.
lazycouchpotato 3y ago
It's just annoying a) not having control over how I want to consume my content, b) the fact that I spent all this time cleaning up my Google account history just for them to potentially throw water on my efforts, and c) I'm paying them for them to do this to me. To start off, I already lost two of my favourite ways to consume content this year: Flamingo for Twitter and Sync for Reddit (the latter thankfully resurrected as a Lemmy app). I do use the Subscriptions tab, but that's for existing channels I found via YT's recommendations. I can't add more if I can't find more. My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff. !yt is only as useful as the results YT provides, which they've recently messed with as well. If I search for "pizza" I'm provided with results that have absolutely nothing to do with pizza. https://i.imgur.com/gxhNViW.png https://i.imgur.com/gxhNViW.png I checked the transcripts of both Architectural Digest videos - not once was "pizza" mentioned. The "Fresh Guacamole" film has no dialogue, and is also not about pizza. It's about guacamole. I think it's general consensus that Google's consumer products have been on a decline. Just 2 days ago "Google Maps has become an eyesore" was at the top of HN with 764 points [1]. If I search "Google Search" on HN, the top post that shows up is "Google Search Is Dying" with 3636 points [2]. And we're all familiar with the infamous Google Graveyard [3]. I enjoy not seeing ads and being able to support the creators I watch (Premium viewers apparently earn creators more money than ad-supported viewers [4]). I just think it's reasonable to want some control over what and how I feed them information about myself, if I'm paying $14 a month. I understand that costs for a lot of other things have gone up, it's still annoying to be affected by it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37030044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37030044 [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=Google+search https://hn.algolia.com/?q=Google+search [3] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ [4] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154 https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154
- dangus 3y ago
  > My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff. This passage shines above the rest of the complaints, which feel more philosophical than tangible to me. The HN consensus mostly just points out the opinion of a small and vocal community. M In your screenshot you scrolled past the results to a different section of the page. Keep scrolling and you get more results (maybe that’s bad UI but again like you said it’s working perfectly). It’s also notable that the more popular TV, tablet, and phone apps don’t work this way.

wintermutestwin 3y ago

>I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. The first burn is that you are paying them with money AND your data (which they now can link to your CC#). I'd be more than happy to pay for a service like YT to get it ad free as long as it doesn't harvest my data (for any damn purpose).

PicassoCTs 3y ago
The willingness to pay, actually makes you a more valuable customer to premium services, it reclassifies you for the 2nd tier web. Like a higher-refined product for advertisers.
- winternett 3y ago
  Subscriptions are indeed being used to trigger class-ism covertly by companies more than ever, but it's a terrible form of discrimination because many can use bootleg credit cards, or even decide to cancel subscriptions/// Those that cancel or don't pay suffer unknowingly on basic service now pelted with even more ads to subscribe, and possibly even their uploads are held back when they are not a premium user. This needs to be killed as a practice, otherwise the future is going to be pay to breathe everywhere... Dreadful.

sdfghswe 3y ago

> I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. What are you paying for, exactly? Youtube is already free. Actually wait, I don't want to know. I'm happy with my life, there's no way that knowing this will improve it.

ender341341 3y ago
no ads on non-browser devices (and browser based as they've taken stronger stances against ad-blockers). The amount of ads I see people watch is ridiculous, I can't stand them at all anymore.
- sdfghswe 3y ago
  What about pihole? What about watching less TV/youtube?
  - ender341341 3y ago
    > What about pihole? I had trouble with pi-hole breaking things and requiring too much manual intervention (compared to browser based ones that I can toggle with a mouse click without changing screens). > What about watching less TV/youtube? I generally have youtube on pretty much all day for music as I haven't found anything else that approaches it for music recommendations (which is pretty sad as they're still not great).
lazycouchpotato 3y ago
I was previously in an apartment that had its own internet setup, using my Xbox to watch what was basically more ads than video. I don't think there's a way to set up a PiHole on their connection (maybe there is, but at the time a Raspberry Pi would cost more than a year's worth of YT Premium.. I was also not aware of NextDNS back then). That, and Premium views apparently pay creators more than ad-supported views [1], so I justified it that way. [1] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154 https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154
joe_guy 3y ago