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If someone created a way for WASM to talk to an SDL equivalent, it'd probably end use of HTML & CSS

yvdriess 3y ago
And so closing the great circle of UI framework technologies.
throwaway12245 3y ago
WASM has support for SDL for a long time: https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2019/12/01/webassembly-graphics-with-sdl/ https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2019/12/01/webassembly-graph...
tomsmeding 3y ago
If so, all people relying on (often limited even with html that contains text) accessibility features will have to sit in a corner and cry.
- wg0 3y ago
  I think that should be addressable.
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    Why do I get the feeling some company will address the issue by offering them a comfy chair and a free box of tissues?
t0astbread 3y ago
If tri-state logic becomes viable it's game over for binary!
wg0 3y ago
IF GTK/Qt etc can render to canvas using WebGPU while compiled to assembly, I think game is almost over than too IF there's a way to lazy load application modules. Think Autodesk products. Certain parts (wasm modules) only load when you hover over a menu while overall app loads within milliseconds because it just has the main window and such.
- slondr 3y ago
  This has been possible for years. I actually got in the habit of porting my qt projects to the web target because they ran better than native compiled on some of my older machines.
eternityforest 3y ago
That sounds awful. People would be jamming entire 10MB toolkits into WASM to do things that HTML could do, and performance would probably suffer. HTML is declarative. The machine understands it. I like things machines can understand and optimize. Things that you can write automated tools to work with because it's not a full turing machine. If you want to make a screen reader, you can. If you want to reflow for mobile in a better way, you can, because you know what's text and what's an image. Just giving people a programming environment and the ability to draw some pixels, the browser has no idea what the intent is. There's nothing to optimize unless the individual sites do, and I doubt they have Google and Mozilla's budget. We already have too many unnecessary powerful imperative systems out there.

And so closing the great circle of UI framework technologies.

WASM has support for SDL for a long time: https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2019/12/01/webassembly-graphics-with-sdl/ https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2019/12/01/webassembly-graph...

tomsmeding 3y ago

If so, all people relying on (often limited even with html that contains text) accessibility features will have to sit in a corner and cry.

wg0 3y ago
I think that should be addressable.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Why do I get the feeling some company will address the issue by offering them a comfy chair and a free box of tissues?

t0astbread 3y ago

If tri-state logic becomes viable it's game over for binary!

wg0 3y ago

IF GTK/Qt etc can render to canvas using WebGPU while compiled to assembly, I think game is almost over than too IF there's a way to lazy load application modules. Think Autodesk products. Certain parts (wasm modules) only load when you hover over a menu while overall app loads within milliseconds because it just has the main window and such.

slondr 3y ago
This has been possible for years. I actually got in the habit of porting my qt projects to the web target because they ran better than native compiled on some of my older machines.

eternityforest 3y ago

That sounds awful. People would be jamming entire 10MB toolkits into WASM to do things that HTML could do, and performance would probably suffer. HTML is declarative. The machine understands it. I like things machines can understand and optimize. Things that you can write automated tools to work with because it's not a full turing machine. If you want to make a screen reader, you can. If you want to reflow for mobile in a better way, you can, because you know what's text and what's an image. Just giving people a programming environment and the ability to draw some pixels, the browser has no idea what the intent is. There's nothing to optimize unless the individual sites do, and I doubt they have Google and Mozilla's budget. We already have too many unnecessary powerful imperative systems out there.