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Do you count the influx of homeless as residents? These people absolutely need healthcare, but they are a resource drain that can move in suddenly, unpredictabl

Do you count the influx of homeless as residents? These people absolutely need healthcare, but they are a resource drain that can move in suddenly, unpredictably, and overwhelm a local solution with static resources. Then you get a situation where the wealthy, even (and sometimes especially) the diehard leftists who voted for the situation, turn up their nose at what’s shown up in their backyard, and fuck off from California to Colorado or Texas. This reduces the tax resource pool, stressing the residents and businesses that can’t afford to leave further. This creates resentment. Coupled with the overly dramatic and personal shitshow that is local politics, frankly I see local initiatives as a fantastic way to fail tens of thousands of times. Fixes have to take place at least at the state level, and even that is less than ideal, because expenses have to be spread out (especially in regards to the wealthiest 1% that pay a huge chunk of income tax, and are not equally distributed across local towns) without creating an attractive hotspots for tax resource competition.

thebradbain 3y ago
Except the only demographic of net in-flow _moving to California_ are those in the top 5% or so. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-income-tax-california-wealthy-20190311-story.html https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-income-t... Note: this article is from 2019, which is obviously pre-Covid. I still think it’s too early to predict any trend on post-Covid migrations (which would really be captured and 2022-2023 and 2023-2024, assuming you started planning to leave mid-pandemic 2021-2022) California had its largest tax surplus in the history of a state ever the 2022 fiscal year.
- Modified3019 3y ago
  FYI, unless they fix their tax system, they are currently headed towards a (last I checked) 30+ billion dollar deficit this year. They also recently raised taxes on income over (I think) $1 million again last year, and I believe plan to continue to do so. Also for a more up to date perspective on migration and money: https://calmatters.org/commentary/2022/08/california-is-leaking-vital-high-income-taxpayers/ https://calmatters.org/commentary/2022/08/california-is-leak... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/San-Francisco-migration-17353393.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/San-Francisco-migrati... Regardless, this still supports my point that state level healthcare while far more durable than local gov, still can’t compare to national level stability.

thebradbain 3y ago

Except the only demographic of net in-flow _moving to California_ are those in the top 5% or so. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-income-tax-california-wealthy-20190311-story.html https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-income-t... Note: this article is from 2019, which is obviously pre-Covid. I still think it’s too early to predict any trend on post-Covid migrations (which would really be captured and 2022-2023 and 2023-2024, assuming you started planning to leave mid-pandemic 2021-2022) California had its largest tax surplus in the history of a state ever the 2022 fiscal year.

Modified3019 3y ago
FYI, unless they fix their tax system, they are currently headed towards a (last I checked) 30+ billion dollar deficit this year. They also recently raised taxes on income over (I think) $1 million again last year, and I believe plan to continue to do so. Also for a more up to date perspective on migration and money: https://calmatters.org/commentary/2022/08/california-is-leaking-vital-high-income-taxpayers/ https://calmatters.org/commentary/2022/08/california-is-leak... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/San-Francisco-migration-17353393.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/San-Francisco-migrati... Regardless, this still supports my point that state level healthcare while far more durable than local gov, still can’t compare to national level stability.