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All the rich folk who fly about on private jets should stop talking about climate change. If you can assure me that, then they can continue to fly. https://www

All the rich folk who fly about on private jets should stop talking about climate change. If you can assure me that, then they can continue to fly. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-private-jets-carbon-emissions-tax/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-private-jets-car...

TacticalCoder 3y ago
> All the rich folk who fly about on private jets should stop talking about climate change. If you can assure me that, then they can continue to fly. A EU politican came by plane (first thought to be a private jet but turns out it was a commercial plane IIUC) to a climate change conference, then two streets before the place where the meeting was happening she hopped on a bicycle "because green"... Bicycle escorted by two SUVs. Ridiculous.
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Seen that one too. The show must go on! Happened many times before, also, with different politicians in different countries. Anyways, the SUVs are for security. Have to be always at hand. Can you imagine being without them, in the public?
  - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
    What?
- axpy 3y ago
  Are you referring to Theresa Ribiera(Spainish Minister) incident? Stop getting your news from tabloids. Records showed she was driven to the event. While being on a bike and followed by 2 SUV full of bodyguard seems ridiculous, there are sometime protocol to follow. She used a bike sharing service for the journey between her hotel and the conference venue. She and was also seen on a bike at another occasion on the same trip. If we can stop acting like offenced Virgin and spend time finding real solutions, that would be nice.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Sounds like she puts more carbon into the atmosphere than the people she is scolding.
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
This is also my problem. I have no issue with private jets, but I have huge issue with people who are flying on them and then start virtue signaling about climate change. Like could you clean up your house first, before you will start lecturing other people how they should clean their houses?
- eesmith 3y ago
  If a cigarette smoker, on oxygen due to lung cancer but still smoking, tells you smoking is bad for your health - is that virtue signaling? Being rich is a helluva drug. They need help getting off their addiction. Tax 'em all, heavily.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    Yes that's obvious hypocritical virtue signaling. Especially when he is puffing the smoke right into somebody's face.
    - eesmith 3y ago
      I described an anti-smoking public service advertisement from when I was a teenager. What virtue do you see in that?
      - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Then it was hypocritical anti-smoking public service. Like somebody taking a massive dump on my porch while telling me that it is bad. I mean, then why are you doing it?
        eesmith 3y ago
        Because some smokers are addicted to nicotine, and can't stop even though they know it's what's killing them, and even knowing that an open flame near an oxygen line is a fire danger that will kill them quicker. Just because the Marlboro Man looks cool smoking when he's young doesn't mean it's worth having lung cancer later on, as the Marlboro Man lies in a hospital bed with tubes in him. I don't know any dump-takers with an addition like you describe, so think you have failed to understand my point. Other addicts are similar. If a homeless alcoholic tells you his life was ruined by his addition to alcohol and that you shouldn't take his path, then takes another swig out of his beer, is that really hypocritical virtue signaling? Or is it truthful advice? If a heroine addict, in a drainage culvert preparing another dose, looks up at you when you walk by and says "stay off heroin, kid, it will fuck up up" - is that really hypocritical virtue signaling? Or are you going to join him? If you think all of that is 'virtue signaling', then we have a fundamentally different understanding of what that term means. Super-rich people are addicted to wealth. They love it. Even when they know their lifestyle is bad, they don't want to give up, even though they could. Look at them - even their charity work mostly serves [1] to glorify their power and prestige, and whitewash their moral crimes [2]. Every time you think of Bill Gates, of Elon Musk, of Al Gore, remember that they are addicts to wealth, unwilling to give up their addition. And to be clear, I'm not saying I could either, had I their money. Tax them all, heavily, until they are merely rich - say, $10 million. Provide social workers to help them live a normal life. Get them off their addiction [3]. [1] The two counter-examples I am considering are Dolly Parton and MacKenzie Scott. Scott's philanthropy in particular highlights how the super-wealthy really are more interested in control than giving. [2] Carnegie, to start a very long list. [3] The cleverer of them say they need the influence which comes with their wealth to change things for the better, like Warren Buffett and the "Buffett Rule", so can't give up their wealth unilaterally. Let's help those poor sods by taxing them.

TacticalCoder 3y ago

> All the rich folk who fly about on private jets should stop talking about climate change. If you can assure me that, then they can continue to fly. A EU politican came by plane (first thought to be a private jet but turns out it was a commercial plane IIUC) to a climate change conference, then two streets before the place where the meeting was happening she hopped on a bicycle "because green"... Bicycle escorted by two SUVs. Ridiculous.

LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
Seen that one too. The show must go on! Happened many times before, also, with different politicians in different countries. Anyways, the SUVs are for security. Have to be always at hand. Can you imagine being without them, in the public?
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  What?
axpy 3y ago
Are you referring to Theresa Ribiera(Spainish Minister) incident? Stop getting your news from tabloids. Records showed she was driven to the event. While being on a bike and followed by 2 SUV full of bodyguard seems ridiculous, there are sometime protocol to follow. She used a bike sharing service for the journey between her hotel and the conference venue. She and was also seen on a bike at another occasion on the same trip. If we can stop acting like offenced Virgin and spend time finding real solutions, that would be nice.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Sounds like she puts more carbon into the atmosphere than the people she is scolding.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

This is also my problem. I have no issue with private jets, but I have huge issue with people who are flying on them and then start virtue signaling about climate change. Like could you clean up your house first, before you will start lecturing other people how they should clean their houses?

eesmith 3y ago
If a cigarette smoker, on oxygen due to lung cancer but still smoking, tells you smoking is bad for your health - is that virtue signaling? Being rich is a helluva drug. They need help getting off their addiction. Tax 'em all, heavily.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Yes that's obvious hypocritical virtue signaling. Especially when he is puffing the smoke right into somebody's face.
  - eesmith 3y ago
    I described an anti-smoking public service advertisement from when I was a teenager. What virtue do you see in that?
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      Then it was hypocritical anti-smoking public service. Like somebody taking a massive dump on my porch while telling me that it is bad. I mean, then why are you doing it?
      - eesmith 3y ago
        Because some smokers are addicted to nicotine, and can't stop even though they know it's what's killing them, and even knowing that an open flame near an oxygen line is a fire danger that will kill them quicker. Just because the Marlboro Man looks cool smoking when he's young doesn't mean it's worth having lung cancer later on, as the Marlboro Man lies in a hospital bed with tubes in him. I don't know any dump-takers with an addition like you describe, so think you have failed to understand my point. Other addicts are similar. If a homeless alcoholic tells you his life was ruined by his addition to alcohol and that you shouldn't take his path, then takes another swig out of his beer, is that really hypocritical virtue signaling? Or is it truthful advice? If a heroine addict, in a drainage culvert preparing another dose, looks up at you when you walk by and says "stay off heroin, kid, it will fuck up up" - is that really hypocritical virtue signaling? Or are you going to join him? If you think all of that is 'virtue signaling', then we have a fundamentally different understanding of what that term means. Super-rich people are addicted to wealth. They love it. Even when they know their lifestyle is bad, they don't want to give up, even though they could. Look at them - even their charity work mostly serves [1] to glorify their power and prestige, and whitewash their moral crimes [2]. Every time you think of Bill Gates, of Elon Musk, of Al Gore, remember that they are addicts to wealth, unwilling to give up their addition. And to be clear, I'm not saying I could either, had I their money. Tax them all, heavily, until they are merely rich - say, $10 million. Provide social workers to help them live a normal life. Get them off their addiction [3]. [1] The two counter-examples I am considering are Dolly Parton and MacKenzie Scott. Scott's philanthropy in particular highlights how the super-wealthy really are more interested in control than giving. [2] Carnegie, to start a very long list. [3] The cleverer of them say they need the influence which comes with their wealth to change things for the better, like Warren Buffett and the "Buffett Rule", so can't give up their wealth unilaterally. Let's help those poor sods by taxing them.