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Thus providing an example of why we should stick with our pencil and paper, manually counted voting system, and not computerise it. Most of the info lost is al

Thus providing an example of why we should stick with our pencil and paper, manually counted voting system, and not computerise it. Most of the info lost is already publicly available (if one is willing to visit libraries in each electoral ward), so could be collated. Despite that, the manual process of the polls means that it is very difficult to corrupt, and even more so to corrupt without being detected. In a completely electronic system, it would be so much easier to cheat, and get away with it. It would also be difficult to convince folks that the systems are robust. In that sense Estonia is 'brave'.

midasuni 3y ago
I believe the word is “courageous”, minister. That’s the beauty of turning up and putting an x on a piece of paper. You can of course slip in the occasional fraudulent vote (pretend to be someone who isn’t going to vote). You can register a false person in the address. It’s quite easy to swing dozens of votes across the country, with an increasing risk of being caught But the effort it takes would be better spent getting the vote out for your candidate. You can pretend to be your neighbour once or twice, but if you turn up at the voting station several times you’re going to be noticed. Better to offer a lift to your identified voters to make sure they legitimately vote for you even though it’s raining.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  > It’s quite easy to swing dozens of votes across the country, the best liars believe what they say
  - flir 3y ago
    I think he literally means dozens of individual votes, not dozens of elections. 7AM-10PM, I could do... what... 30 votes, if I planned meticulously? With the risk of a collision going up with each attempt, and the chances of swinging an election very close to nil. Like OP said, it's more effective to campaign.
- comprev 3y ago
  Wonderful to see a Yes, Minister reference on HN
wkat4242 3y ago
Yes for this reason we went back to pencil and paper in the Netherlands. Years ago.

midasuni 3y ago

I believe the word is “courageous”, minister. That’s the beauty of turning up and putting an x on a piece of paper. You can of course slip in the occasional fraudulent vote (pretend to be someone who isn’t going to vote). You can register a false person in the address. It’s quite easy to swing dozens of votes across the country, with an increasing risk of being caught But the effort it takes would be better spent getting the vote out for your candidate. You can pretend to be your neighbour once or twice, but if you turn up at the voting station several times you’re going to be noticed. Better to offer a lift to your identified voters to make sure they legitimately vote for you even though it’s raining.

mistrial9 3y ago
> It’s quite easy to swing dozens of votes across the country, the best liars believe what they say
- flir 3y ago
  I think he literally means dozens of individual votes, not dozens of elections. 7AM-10PM, I could do... what... 30 votes, if I planned meticulously? With the risk of a collision going up with each attempt, and the chances of swinging an election very close to nil. Like OP said, it's more effective to campaign.
comprev 3y ago
Wonderful to see a Yes, Minister reference on HN

wkat4242 3y ago

Yes for this reason we went back to pencil and paper in the Netherlands. Years ago.