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It's not difficult to detect in Japanese either, because the set of names used for personal and surnames are different. However, both Japanese and non-Japanese

by rjh29 3y ago

It's not difficult to detect in Japanese either, because the set of names used for personal and surnames are different. However, both Japanese and non-Japanese alike don't follow any consistent order when writing their names in English, so neither is 'correct'. In fact it could be called a hypercorrection, similarly to using '-san' when addressing Japanese people in English.

rurban 3y ago
It's also easy for chinese names when you know the very limited number of possible surnames. But then you must assume the citator knows some chinese, which they don't. Japanese is a bit harder as their firstnames are written in myriads of western styles. (e.g. Miu, Miyu, Miyuu, Miju, ... a common female firstname, for "Beauty, Gentleness & Superiority". Mi=Beautiful, Yu=Gentleness, Superiority). Also Miyu can be written in myriads of ways in japanese, with only some being the common female firstname, where yu can also mean Bind, Friend, Eternal, Dream, To exist, Yuzu (a lemon), Sorrow, ... You need to persist on consistent ordering, even if westerners have no idea and continue ignoring it. Even if everybody writes Itō Mima as Mima Ito, she is still Itō Mima. The prominent Wang Manyu and other chinese table tennis players did establish their correct writing, they just call her Wang Manyu instead of Wang Manyü ("man-yue"), which is equally embarrasing. You insist on correct gendering, but still write the names wrong.
- rjh29 3y ago
  Japanese people with Western spouses (e.g. Keiko Jackson), or who are popular overseas (Marie Kondo) or have spent a lot of time overseas may prefer to use the Western ordering. Even people who live in Japan may prefer to use Western ordering when talking in English. Insisting on their own order rather than adapting to others is pretty un-Japanese imo.
offices 3y ago
So instead of learning one fact (x country uses family-given ordering) the reader must learn 1000 facts (whether y name is a family name or given name) about a language they don't know so they can infer which ordering the translation is using.

by rjh29 3y ago

rurban 3y ago

It's also easy for chinese names when you know the very limited number of possible surnames. But then you must assume the citator knows some chinese, which they don't. Japanese is a bit harder as their firstnames are written in myriads of western styles. (e.g. Miu, Miyu, Miyuu, Miju, ... a common female firstname, for "Beauty, Gentleness & Superiority". Mi=Beautiful, Yu=Gentleness, Superiority). Also Miyu can be written in myriads of ways in japanese, with only some being the common female firstname, where yu can also mean Bind, Friend, Eternal, Dream, To exist, Yuzu (a lemon), Sorrow, ... You need to persist on consistent ordering, even if westerners have no idea and continue ignoring it. Even if everybody writes Itō Mima as Mima Ito, she is still Itō Mima. The prominent Wang Manyu and other chinese table tennis players did establish their correct writing, they just call her Wang Manyu instead of Wang Manyü ("man-yue"), which is equally embarrasing. You insist on correct gendering, but still write the names wrong.

rjh29 3y ago
Japanese people with Western spouses (e.g. Keiko Jackson), or who are popular overseas (Marie Kondo) or have spent a lot of time overseas may prefer to use the Western ordering. Even people who live in Japan may prefer to use Western ordering when talking in English. Insisting on their own order rather than adapting to others is pretty un-Japanese imo.

offices 3y ago

So instead of learning one fact (x country uses family-given ordering) the reader must learn 1000 facts (whether y name is a family name or given name) about a language they don't know so they can infer which ordering the translation is using.