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They should start making more low entry bikes (edit: low frame/no high cross bar). I guess biking is still dominated by guys and by racing. If bike commuting p

by oblio 3y ago

They should start making more low entry bikes (edit: low frame/no high cross bar). I guess biking is still dominated by guys and by racing. If bike commuting picks up, low entry bikes should outnumber sporty bikes 10:1, I hope. Edit: they only sell in the US, not in Europe :-( Edit: those are not commuting bikes :-))) Now, THESE are commuting bikes: https://www.batavus.nl/elektrische-fietsen https://www.batavus.nl/elektrische-fietsen

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
The market for Pinion bikes with belt drives is driven largely by bikes in Western Europe bought by families that need to transport children and shopping. A second market is people wanting a high-end bikepacking bike for expedition cycling. Those families and bikepackers are usually willing to spend several thousand euro for such a bike, so there is not yet the strong demand for low-entry bikes.
- oblio 3y ago
  I meant "low entry" as in "easy to get on the bike". Low frame/no high cross bar. I didn't mean cheap, but I can see how it can be read that way :-)
adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
IMO the mountain bike frame with a lowered crossbar is a pretty good compromise between stiffness and ease of entry.
- ciupicri 3y ago
  Enduro mountain bikes tend to be lower, but they won't be great in the city. They're heavier, less efficient because of the dual suspension and the maxim chain ring size is around 34T (they usually come with only 30T or 32T if you're lucky).
  - adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
    I didn't mean that mountain bikes are good for cities, all I meant was that I feel like there should be more city bikes that draw a relatively straight line between the back wheel and stem (e.g. the trek Marin geometry). it seems like a good cross between a diamond and a step through
    - ciupicri 3y ago
      I know what you meant, but my point still stands. From what I've seen road bicycles seem to be the tallest, while hardcore mountain bikes tend to the shortest. For example, looking at medium - large sizes, Trek Marlin 8 Gen 3 [1] has a standover of ~750mm, while Nukeproof Scout [2] has one of just ~710mm. [1]: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cross-country-mountain-bikes/marlin/marlin-8-gen-3/p/36969/ https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cros... [2]: https://nukeproof.com/products/2022-scout-290 https://nukeproof.com/products/2022-scout-290

by oblio 3y ago

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

The market for Pinion bikes with belt drives is driven largely by bikes in Western Europe bought by families that need to transport children and shopping. A second market is people wanting a high-end bikepacking bike for expedition cycling. Those families and bikepackers are usually willing to spend several thousand euro for such a bike, so there is not yet the strong demand for low-entry bikes.

oblio 3y ago
I meant "low entry" as in "easy to get on the bike". Low frame/no high cross bar. I didn't mean cheap, but I can see how it can be read that way :-)

adgjlsfhk1 3y ago

IMO the mountain bike frame with a lowered crossbar is a pretty good compromise between stiffness and ease of entry.

ciupicri 3y ago
Enduro mountain bikes tend to be lower, but they won't be great in the city. They're heavier, less efficient because of the dual suspension and the maxim chain ring size is around 34T (they usually come with only 30T or 32T if you're lucky).
- adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
  I didn't mean that mountain bikes are good for cities, all I meant was that I feel like there should be more city bikes that draw a relatively straight line between the back wheel and stem (e.g. the trek Marin geometry). it seems like a good cross between a diamond and a step through
  - ciupicri 3y ago
    I know what you meant, but my point still stands. From what I've seen road bicycles seem to be the tallest, while hardcore mountain bikes tend to the shortest. For example, looking at medium - large sizes, Trek Marlin 8 Gen 3 [1] has a standover of ~750mm, while Nukeproof Scout [2] has one of just ~710mm. [1]: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cross-country-mountain-bikes/marlin/marlin-8-gen-3/p/36969/ https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cros... [2]: https://nukeproof.com/products/2022-scout-290 https://nukeproof.com/products/2022-scout-290