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Similar to poor southern US states being forced to do business with Californians and NY because all the copyrights and government blessings are controlled by Ca

Similar to poor southern US states being forced to do business with Californians and NY because all the copyrights and government blessings are controlled by Californians and New Yorkers. Want to borrow money? Got to get permission from NY. Want to use software? Got to pay a certain couple company's tax. Parody of course... but highlights the complexities of trade arrangements as well as the absurdity of simply writing off a trade agreement as only harmful to the poorer entity.

jxf 3y ago
Those states are also huge net receivers of federal investment, too.
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago
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lotsofpulp 3y ago
Not similar at all. The federal government is very clear that only they can affect interstate commerce. Businesses can register in however many states they want, and state governments have no say on how the business is conducted in other states.
- aristus 3y ago
  In reality, producing different product variants is infeasible and so bigger states drive standards. That's why cars used to be marketed as having "California emissions", and why textbook companies kowtow to Texas.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    That is not the same as a poor southern state having to pay CA or NY. That is a business deciding to choose certain economies of scale. And California and New York’s population is not that big, the US south has quite a lot of people, and the #2 and #3 states in terms of population, so I doubt the premise that CA/NY standards are “taxing” consumers in the US south as implied earlier.
    - aristus 3y ago
      GP said nothing about taxing, only "having a say". But standards can cost more. Lots of people grumbled about about paying extra for those damned gold-plated hippy mufflers, etc. A single big state can and will enforce a product rule in their state, with the explicit knowledge that by doing so they will cause a change in the other 49. Many smaller states explicitly default their rules to some other state, eg Texas teaching.
- lesuorac 3y ago
  > The federal government is very clear that only they can affect interstate commerce. Well, the federal government is very clear on that they can regulate anything that has an effect on interstate commerce. So, if you grow some corn for personal consumption that's regulated by the federal government because you wouldn't need to buy it on the open market which affects interstate commerce. But yeah if you don't operate in a state there's a lot of difficulty in that state coming after you. However, that state may try to be a nit about federal rules if you do something they don't like (say operate a coal plant on the border of your state so pollution goes into not your state [1]). [1]: https://whyy.org/articles/pa-coal-power-plant-closing-leads-healthier-babies-downwind/ https://whyy.org/articles/pa-coal-power-plant-closing-leads-...

jxf 3y ago

Those states are also huge net receivers of federal investment, too.

Slava_Propanei 3y ago
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lotsofpulp 3y ago

Not similar at all. The federal government is very clear that only they can affect interstate commerce. Businesses can register in however many states they want, and state governments have no say on how the business is conducted in other states.

aristus 3y ago
In reality, producing different product variants is infeasible and so bigger states drive standards. That's why cars used to be marketed as having "California emissions", and why textbook companies kowtow to Texas.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  That is not the same as a poor southern state having to pay CA or NY. That is a business deciding to choose certain economies of scale. And California and New York’s population is not that big, the US south has quite a lot of people, and the #2 and #3 states in terms of population, so I doubt the premise that CA/NY standards are “taxing” consumers in the US south as implied earlier.
  - aristus 3y ago
    GP said nothing about taxing, only "having a say". But standards can cost more. Lots of people grumbled about about paying extra for those damned gold-plated hippy mufflers, etc. A single big state can and will enforce a product rule in their state, with the explicit knowledge that by doing so they will cause a change in the other 49. Many smaller states explicitly default their rules to some other state, eg Texas teaching.
lesuorac 3y ago
> The federal government is very clear that only they can affect interstate commerce. Well, the federal government is very clear on that they can regulate anything that has an effect on interstate commerce. So, if you grow some corn for personal consumption that's regulated by the federal government because you wouldn't need to buy it on the open market which affects interstate commerce. But yeah if you don't operate in a state there's a lot of difficulty in that state coming after you. However, that state may try to be a nit about federal rules if you do something they don't like (say operate a coal plant on the border of your state so pollution goes into not your state [1]). [1]: https://whyy.org/articles/pa-coal-power-plant-closing-leads-healthier-babies-downwind/ https://whyy.org/articles/pa-coal-power-plant-closing-leads-...