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> US companies are also sued and fined in the US for breaking these laws. And European companies are also sued for breaking GDPR. Recently, the CNIL fined Cri

> US companies are also sued and fined in the US for breaking these laws. And European companies are also sued for breaking GDPR. Recently, the CNIL fined Criteo, a French adtech company, for 40M€. Multiple other fines in the 1M+€ range (Carrefour, Total, AG2R…) for French companies. You can go on Enforcement Tracker, you will find a lot of small fines against EU entities, and few but heavy fines against US entities. I don't think this is protectionism, but rather that EU companies fare better than US companies in environments with historically strong privacy laws, precisely because they are subject to these regulations from day 1. > They are using the data in compliance with their ToS, which is decided post-facto to be in violation of the GDPR. A ToS is a contract, and contracts can violate the law. Nothing surprising here.

whimsicalism 3y ago
> I don't think this is protectionism, but rather that EU companies fare better than US companies in environments with historically strong privacy laws, precisely because they are subject to these regulations from day 1. Here is a quote from an MEP who helped design the EU DMA on deciding who counts as a gatekeeper: "Let’s focus first on the biggest problems, on the biggest bottlenecks. Let’s go down the line—one, two, three, four, five—and maybe six with Alibaba. But let’s not start with number seven to include a European gatekeeper just to please Biden.” It is hard for me to read that as suggesting anything but strongly protectionist motivations. > A ToS is a contract, and contracts can violate the law. Nothing surprising here. I don't disagree, merely with the suggestion that the regulatory framework the EU has set up, which is still actively being worked out in a patchwork of procedural decisions up until literally today, is as clear-cut as the US prohibition on bribery in the FCPA.
- cccbbbaaa 3y ago
  That's nice, but we're talking about the GDPR, a law with roots in the 70s. Not the DMA. And as I pointed out earlier, EU entities are getting fined and sued by regulators.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    Really? I was the original commentator and afaik I was discussing “recent efforts” as protectionist including both new GDPR decisions and the DMA.
    - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
      About GDPR and protectionism–I already answered. Sorry if I misunderstood you, I did not pay attention to the DMA and that was not the subject of the article.
      - whimsicalism 3y ago
        Fair enough, thank you for your informative comments here and with regards to cookie walls

whimsicalism 3y ago

> I don't think this is protectionism, but rather that EU companies fare better than US companies in environments with historically strong privacy laws, precisely because they are subject to these regulations from day 1. Here is a quote from an MEP who helped design the EU DMA on deciding who counts as a gatekeeper: "Let’s focus first on the biggest problems, on the biggest bottlenecks. Let’s go down the line—one, two, three, four, five—and maybe six with Alibaba. But let’s not start with number seven to include a European gatekeeper just to please Biden.” It is hard for me to read that as suggesting anything but strongly protectionist motivations. > A ToS is a contract, and contracts can violate the law. Nothing surprising here. I don't disagree, merely with the suggestion that the regulatory framework the EU has set up, which is still actively being worked out in a patchwork of procedural decisions up until literally today, is as clear-cut as the US prohibition on bribery in the FCPA.

cccbbbaaa 3y ago
That's nice, but we're talking about the GDPR, a law with roots in the 70s. Not the DMA. And as I pointed out earlier, EU entities are getting fined and sued by regulators.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  Really? I was the original commentator and afaik I was discussing “recent efforts” as protectionist including both new GDPR decisions and the DMA.
  - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
    About GDPR and protectionism–I already answered. Sorry if I misunderstood you, I did not pay attention to the DMA and that was not the subject of the article.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      Fair enough, thank you for your informative comments here and with regards to cookie walls