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Do you think that there are no "nudges" if nobody comes along and tries to "nudge"? The situation as-is is not some kind of default that's nudge-free. Whenever

by Timon3 3y ago

Do you think that there are no "nudges" if nobody comes along and tries to "nudge"? The situation as-is is not some kind of default that's nudge-free. Whenever someone makes a decision, it probably results in some kind of "nudge". Accepting this reality, and working with it, is completely different from "mass mind control". Any time a city decides which streets to repair, it's a nudge. Any time a city decides which streets to renovate at the same time, it's another nudge. Any time a city decides not to repair streets it's a nudge. How do you get out of this "nudge-less"?

iraqmtpizza 3y ago
we can't stop nuking people because supervolcanoes exist and we can't let the supervolcanoes win. accepting the reality that you can propagandize and deceive your countrymen on an industrial scale. yes, I accept that reality. and I accept that you are the enemy when you do that. at least if you coerce them out of their money to do it how about you fix the streets when people complain that the street in front of their house is fucked? or better yet stop promising people you can fix their streets if they continue to pay their taxes and stop arresting people who fix their own streets? what are you even talking about lol
- Timon3 3y ago
  I tried re-reading your comment multiple times, but it doesn't make any sense. Could you try re-phrasing it clearly? What are you talking about with supervolcanoes and nukes and industrial-scale deception? Who do I coerce out of what money to make me an enemy? I've made a clear point in my previous comment. Please engage with it directly.
  - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
    Firstly, I am mocking you. Nobody said you could eliminate every source of malign influence any more than you can prevent all domestic violence. Secondly, you support public funds for nudging. You have already admitted as much with your street story. Do we really need to have the conversation about how taxes aren't voluntary? Like... really? Maybe you're not aware, but the thing about mother birds rejecting their chicks if they're touched by humans was a nudge. Not like an exaggeration or a miscommunication. A straight-up nudge. You literally funded your own scientific gaslighting hahaha. Maybe that's not consequential enough for you. The thing about masks not working was a nudge so you wouldn't buy up all the masks. Then the thing about masks stopping the spread was a nudge. You got cross-nudged on the same issue by the same guy. And that doesn't even get into what people were told about medicine these last few years. Go ahead and defend your ludicrous utilitarianism where you can monitor and track and account for all possible consequences of your publicly-funded disinformation via your surveillance state. What of the people who die because your deliberate falsehoods? Do they get restitution? Or they're just collateral damage on the avenue to utopia?
    - Timon3 3y ago
      > Firstly, I am mocking you. Thank you for being upfront with this, I'll end the conversation here. You've either fundamentally misunderstood my point or are arguing in the worst faith possible. Either way it doesn't make sense to talk any further. Have a nice day!
      - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
        I graciously accept your surrender.

by Timon3 3y ago

iraqmtpizza 3y ago

we can't stop nuking people because supervolcanoes exist and we can't let the supervolcanoes win. accepting the reality that you can propagandize and deceive your countrymen on an industrial scale. yes, I accept that reality. and I accept that you are the enemy when you do that. at least if you coerce them out of their money to do it how about you fix the streets when people complain that the street in front of their house is fucked? or better yet stop promising people you can fix their streets if they continue to pay their taxes and stop arresting people who fix their own streets? what are you even talking about lol

Timon3 3y ago
I tried re-reading your comment multiple times, but it doesn't make any sense. Could you try re-phrasing it clearly? What are you talking about with supervolcanoes and nukes and industrial-scale deception? Who do I coerce out of what money to make me an enemy? I've made a clear point in my previous comment. Please engage with it directly.
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
  Firstly, I am mocking you. Nobody said you could eliminate every source of malign influence any more than you can prevent all domestic violence. Secondly, you support public funds for nudging. You have already admitted as much with your street story. Do we really need to have the conversation about how taxes aren't voluntary? Like... really? Maybe you're not aware, but the thing about mother birds rejecting their chicks if they're touched by humans was a nudge. Not like an exaggeration or a miscommunication. A straight-up nudge. You literally funded your own scientific gaslighting hahaha. Maybe that's not consequential enough for you. The thing about masks not working was a nudge so you wouldn't buy up all the masks. Then the thing about masks stopping the spread was a nudge. You got cross-nudged on the same issue by the same guy. And that doesn't even get into what people were told about medicine these last few years. Go ahead and defend your ludicrous utilitarianism where you can monitor and track and account for all possible consequences of your publicly-funded disinformation via your surveillance state. What of the people who die because your deliberate falsehoods? Do they get restitution? Or they're just collateral damage on the avenue to utopia?
  - Timon3 3y ago
    > Firstly, I am mocking you. Thank you for being upfront with this, I'll end the conversation here. You've either fundamentally misunderstood my point or are arguing in the worst faith possible. Either way it doesn't make sense to talk any further. Have a nice day!
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      I graciously accept your surrender.