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> Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the

by tw1984 3y ago

> Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief. > so lets assign a 10% probability why 10%? not 0.01%? because of his "prof." title or previous publications? Surely that won't change the course of nature I thought? > and then from reputed Western researchers/labs. what makes you discount inputs from Russian, Chinese, Japanese researchers? You seem to have some really wired brief here, get some help I say.

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xyproto 3y ago
> You seem to have some really wired brief here, get some help I say. I googled "wired brief" and this is what I found: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/303994118271 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/303994118271
- lobochrome 3y ago
  I swam those a lot.
- tw1984 3y ago
  Sorry for the typo, statistically you make more typos when you write in a foreign language. feel free to make fun of it, totally fine with me.
  - xyproto 3y ago
    It's not my native language either. Sorry if you felt made fun of.
smcl 3y ago
I've seen this on here before. Guys convincing themselves that they're being rational and you're being emotional - because they put little numbers besides their feelings and perform some calculations to produce a percentage that "proves" their theory about Antivax stuff, Putin/Ukraine or whatever is credible.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  It comes from lesswrong/rationalist circles. Best to ignore people once you have identified that they are on the wrong side of the Dunning-Kruger curve
  - jeltz 3y ago
    No, let's not. I have seen examples here on HN where leading experts in the relevant field have been accused of Dunning-Kruger (I recognized the usernames, the accusers obviously did not). Such accusations are just namecalling and destroy any civilized debate.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      Should we be reasoning from last usages of a phrase that you didn’t like or the particular context here?
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  It's a shibboleth in rationalist circles who convince themselves/others that they're doing Bayesian inference in their heads.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Anyone who thinks rationality and emotion are mutually exclusive, hasn't understood half of what any of the big names in that area wrote. Which isn't to say you or the other replies next to mine are wrong — any memes that get shared also get misunderstood, including attempts to be… less wrong. (Putting numbers on my uncertainty has mainly made me aware that I'm bad at it, which is useful to be aware of even if it doesn't make me better at it).
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >their theory about Antivax stuff, Putin/Ukraine or whatever is credible. Your politics are revealed with your choice of examples here. Who needs a decision-making mental model when we can just trust what the experts tell us about these things, or maybe "trust your gut"? That's never failed.
codethief 3y ago
> you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief. Not OP but "this man" has published enough papers on superconductors[0] that yes, he absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt. [0]: See e.g. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hyun-tak+kim+superconductor&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hyun... or https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_P8mux4AAAAJ&hl=de&oi=sra https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_P8mux4AAAAJ&hl=de...
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  Do you work in the field? Those papers are ridiculous and the “theory” parts literally do not make sense
- tw1984 3y ago
  making a few PDFs publicly available doesn't change the course of nature. he is now in the position to fully explain to the world what is going on here as no one seem to be able to reproduce what he claims. given such facts, it is totally reasonable to question his expertise on the concern subject. you are free to judge people purely based on how much they publish, I totally respect that.
ironborn123 3y ago
- Nothing against Russian researchers, but apart from Iris who is somewhat anonymous and doesnt have the required equipment to create good samples, I havent seen anyone from there interested in performing expts on this - There have already been some retractions from China after the initial replication claims. I get the feeling they have been overeager about this to prove themselves. Maybe if they approach this with cooler heads, they could be depended on more. - When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east)
- carabiner 3y ago
  > When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east) It's difficult to communicate with you if you just redefine common expressions however you see fit. It's like saying "by left, I mean right." Just... stop.
  - ironborn123 3y ago
    We can debate about expressions/terminology, but these three countries are very very closely aligned with the US. Ofcourse its mutually beneficial. A joke a military contact cracked once is that the only diff between these three and guam, is that guam is officially recognized as US territory. Make of that what you will.
- tw1984 3y ago
  > When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor Are you implying that the west is as corrupted as Japan? That is not something I can agree with. In case you got yourself isolated from daily news for too long, below is just some recent news regarding those common practices in japanese labs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct... most japanese major groups are falsifying their various type of data - just look at recent news since 2015 Hitachi admitted falsifying data on brake testing https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 More fraudulent testing found in Mitsubishi Electric https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 Accounting fraud by Toshiba https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairman-Kobayashi-to-quit-after-aiding-scandal-reset https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairma... Kobe Steel admits data fraud went on nearly five decades https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/kobe-steel-admits-data-fraud-went-on-nearly-five-decades-ceo-to-quit-idUSKBN1GH2SM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/ko...

by tw1984 3y ago

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xyproto 3y ago

> You seem to have some really wired brief here, get some help I say. I googled "wired brief" and this is what I found: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/303994118271 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/303994118271

lobochrome 3y ago
I swam those a lot.
tw1984 3y ago
Sorry for the typo, statistically you make more typos when you write in a foreign language. feel free to make fun of it, totally fine with me.
- xyproto 3y ago
  It's not my native language either. Sorry if you felt made fun of.

smcl 3y ago

I've seen this on here before. Guys convincing themselves that they're being rational and you're being emotional - because they put little numbers besides their feelings and perform some calculations to produce a percentage that "proves" their theory about Antivax stuff, Putin/Ukraine or whatever is credible.

whimsicalism 3y ago
It comes from lesswrong/rationalist circles. Best to ignore people once you have identified that they are on the wrong side of the Dunning-Kruger curve
- jeltz 3y ago
  No, let's not. I have seen examples here on HN where leading experts in the relevant field have been accused of Dunning-Kruger (I recognized the usernames, the accusers obviously did not). Such accusations are just namecalling and destroy any civilized debate.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    Should we be reasoning from last usages of a phrase that you didn’t like or the particular context here?
heavyset_go 3y ago
It's a shibboleth in rationalist circles who convince themselves/others that they're doing Bayesian inference in their heads.
ben_w 3y ago
Anyone who thinks rationality and emotion are mutually exclusive, hasn't understood half of what any of the big names in that area wrote. Which isn't to say you or the other replies next to mine are wrong — any memes that get shared also get misunderstood, including attempts to be… less wrong. (Putting numbers on my uncertainty has mainly made me aware that I'm bad at it, which is useful to be aware of even if it doesn't make me better at it).
itsoktocry 3y ago
>their theory about Antivax stuff, Putin/Ukraine or whatever is credible. Your politics are revealed with your choice of examples here. Who needs a decision-making mental model when we can just trust what the experts tell us about these things, or maybe "trust your gut"? That's never failed.

codethief 3y ago

> you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief. Not OP but "this man" has published enough papers on superconductors[0] that yes, he absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt. [0]: See e.g. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hyun-tak+kim+superconductor&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hyun... or https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_P8mux4AAAAJ&hl=de&oi=sra https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_P8mux4AAAAJ&hl=de...

whimsicalism 3y ago
Do you work in the field? Those papers are ridiculous and the “theory” parts literally do not make sense
tw1984 3y ago
making a few PDFs publicly available doesn't change the course of nature. he is now in the position to fully explain to the world what is going on here as no one seem to be able to reproduce what he claims. given such facts, it is totally reasonable to question his expertise on the concern subject. you are free to judge people purely based on how much they publish, I totally respect that.

ironborn123 3y ago

- Nothing against Russian researchers, but apart from Iris who is somewhat anonymous and doesnt have the required equipment to create good samples, I havent seen anyone from there interested in performing expts on this - There have already been some retractions from China after the initial replication claims. I get the feeling they have been overeager about this to prove themselves. Maybe if they approach this with cooler heads, they could be depended on more. - When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east)

carabiner 3y ago
> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east) It's difficult to communicate with you if you just redefine common expressions however you see fit. It's like saying "by left, I mean right." Just... stop.
- ironborn123 3y ago
  We can debate about expressions/terminology, but these three countries are very very closely aligned with the US. Ofcourse its mutually beneficial. A joke a military contact cracked once is that the only diff between these three and guam, is that guam is officially recognized as US territory. Make of that what you will.
tw1984 3y ago
> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor Are you implying that the west is as corrupted as Japan? That is not something I can agree with. In case you got yourself isolated from daily news for too long, below is just some recent news regarding those common practices in japanese labs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct... most japanese major groups are falsifying their various type of data - just look at recent news since 2015 Hitachi admitted falsifying data on brake testing https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 More fraudulent testing found in Mitsubishi Electric https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 Accounting fraud by Toshiba https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairman-Kobayashi-to-quit-after-aiding-scandal-reset https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairma... Kobe Steel admits data fraud went on nearly five decades https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/kobe-steel-admits-data-fraud-went-on-nearly-five-decades-ceo-to-quit-idUSKBN1GH2SM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/ko...