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To be clear I didn't "threaten" anything. I intended no threats. Calm down. Are you confusing ADAS with Full Self Driving? They are nowhere the same. An ADAS
by daly 3y ago
To be clear I didn't "threaten" anything. I intended no threats. Calm down.
Are you confusing ADAS with Full Self Driving? They are nowhere the same.
An ADAS system, like my cruise control, won't stop for a school bus, for example.
Do you insist that my cruise control shut off if I look away from the road? It currently doesn't.
I rented a Tesla 3 for a week. The ADAS system worked as expected. One instance does not a pattern make but I was quite impressed. I have a lifelong involvement with vision and robotics and understand how difficult it is to "follow the lane" in all kinds of lighting, weather, and traffic. In some driving conditions even people can't follow the lane.
As for engineering safety systems we had many debates about protecting human/robot interactions. This is the reason you see fences around robots in factories. Opening the gate will shut down the robot and that will shut down the production line. Workers have still been killed by being inside the fence despite all safety interlocks and worker training.
You claim to want "a ratchet toward improved safety". It seems to me that these early attempts at driver awareness IS a ratchet toward improved safety as they did not exist before. Ratchet safety requires failures and corrections. You claim that "Tesla provides none of these" but seem to ignore the new, previously non-existing, attempts at driver awareness.
Teslas are reasonably safe cars. To quote Euro NCAP safety rating results:
Following this test, Model S again received a 5-star safety rating and the highest Overall Score among any vehicle tested in this protocol. It also performed exceptionally well in more detailed tests across the board: 98% in Safety Assist. 91% in Child Occupant Protection.
Sandy Monro, an auto expert, did a review of the safety design of Tesla. Monro pointed out the engineering features that preserved passenger compartment integrity in a collision. The Tesla I rented had steering wheel airbags, side-curtain airbags, and driver/passenger separation airbags. My current car only has steering wheel / passenger airbags.
Even if you insist on confusing ADAS with FSD the driver is "pilot in command" and fully responsible for everything all the time. If there is an accident it is the drivers fault. Until there are no drivers that will always be true. I am unaware of Tesla claiming that you don't need a driver.
Having worked on an ambulance corp for 5 years I can state from personal experience that people die in car accidents. That will continue as long as there are cars.
You seem so passionate about this topic with a particular focus only on Tesla. That strikes me as odd. There are many car companies with ADAS systems and ADAS failures, most of which don't include an attempt at driver awareness. Where is your review of other systems? Comma, for example, at the Comma Con 2 conference explicitly said they are NOT liable for anything.
If ADAS/FSD safety is your issue please post safety issues of non-Tesla cars. There are 91 car companies in China with ADAS and most of the worldwide majors have ADAS. So lets have a more general, non-Tesla safety discussion.