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Maybe saying it the other way around would have made it clearer. The ones in economic power have always (in case there was strong fascist movements) been in fav

Maybe saying it the other way around would have made it clearer. The ones in economic power have always (in case there was strong fascist movements) been in favor of fascism. That's not an opinion but a historical fact. The Nazis in Germany were supported by large industrialists (Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben), how made a killing (quite literally). Similarly in Italy and Spain, the Fascists were supported by the big capitalists.

Alupis 3y ago
I think you will find out big industry supports any party/movement that is currently in power. Observe the war machine that was the USSR, or even modern day China. It's self preservation, more than anything. Cross the powers that be, and you'll find hard times ahead (Jack Ma...). That's true regardless of political ideology. My original point was some people's definition of fascism is absurd given historical or modern contexts. But it's a fun whip to crack.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  The industrialist supported the Nazis, Fascists etc getting into power. That was certainly not the case in Russia or China. Saying that industrialists supported the regime in the Soviet Union is also a bit rich, considering that they essentially did not exist. So what is a correct definition of fascism in your opinion? Are you contesting that the Nazis in Germany, Mussolini in Italy or Franco in Spain were Facists? The whole point the previous poster made was essentially all of these got into power with significant support by the ruling economic powers.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    > That was certainly not the case in Russia or China I see we're going to ignore history then...
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      What Russian or Chinese corporations supported the communist revolutions that arose in those companies? Modern Chinese SOEs do not count, they are a creature of Dengist reforms introduced decades after the initial revolutionary victories.

Alupis 3y ago

I think you will find out big industry supports any party/movement that is currently in power. Observe the war machine that was the USSR, or even modern day China. It's self preservation, more than anything. Cross the powers that be, and you'll find hard times ahead (Jack Ma...). That's true regardless of political ideology. My original point was some people's definition of fascism is absurd given historical or modern contexts. But it's a fun whip to crack.

cycomanic 3y ago
The industrialist supported the Nazis, Fascists etc getting into power. That was certainly not the case in Russia or China. Saying that industrialists supported the regime in the Soviet Union is also a bit rich, considering that they essentially did not exist. So what is a correct definition of fascism in your opinion? Are you contesting that the Nazis in Germany, Mussolini in Italy or Franco in Spain were Facists? The whole point the previous poster made was essentially all of these got into power with significant support by the ruling economic powers.
- Alupis 3y ago
  > That was certainly not the case in Russia or China I see we're going to ignore history then...
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    What Russian or Chinese corporations supported the communist revolutions that arose in those companies? Modern Chinese SOEs do not count, they are a creature of Dengist reforms introduced decades after the initial revolutionary victories.