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I think the moral here is there is an unhealthy dash of sensationalism and propaganda that must be sifted away, if we actually want to take any worthwhile infor

I think the moral here is there is an unhealthy dash of sensationalism and propaganda that must be sifted away, if we actually want to take any worthwhile information out of this. As the saying goes, the first casualty in war is truth.

flangola7 3y ago
But there's no sensationalism or propaganda here.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  There's a mile wide difference between "disabling some brakes according to manuals" and "disabling all brakes and relying on just the thrust reversers". I know it's cool to harp that Russia is doomed, but propaganda is bad regardless whether it's coming from the Russians or the west.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    No one here is claiming Russia is doomed, I don't care about the west or Russia or whatever. Flying a plane without a full complement of brakes is foolhardy all by itself.
- ithkuil 3y ago
  Propaganda has an interesting dynamics where it feeds off human instinctive behaviour. It would be hard to convince people about things they don't believe in already. Propaganda works by amplifying what people already want to believe and by giving tools for people who already want to believe in something but don't know how to back their beliefs with arguments. This leaves people who don't believe in the thing surrounded by people who wouldn't otherwise have strong rhetorical skills suddenly tooled with a barrage of pre-canned arguments and "facts" to disarm any fruitful conversation. A consequence of this dynamics is that often even pure factual presentations of an event gets spontaneously turned into "propaganda-like" discourse without necessarily any active involvement by state agends
mjan22640 3y ago
I am curious what is the point of the omnipresent "Russia is doomed" propaganda in the first place? People are emotionally uninvested in Russia, and Russia itself is in practice irrelevant. What is to gain here by manipulating the public opinion in this way?
- SenHeng 3y ago
  It makes people indifferent to the plight of the Ukrainians and promotes both sides-ism. Too many smart, intelligent, totally normally people that I usually respect and go to advice for, when asked about the Ukraine war have the opinion that 'Russia shouldn't have invaded but it was America's fault anyway because wavy hands. American should tell Ukraine to stop fighting and give up the land the belonged to Russia(USSR) anyway'. edit: I mis-read your post and got the reverse intention. Here's the reverse answer. By presenting Russia as on the brink of implosion, it gives the impression that the Ukrainians just have to hold on for a little bit more and everything bad will go away.
DonHopkins 3y ago
I thought Russia claimed it wasn't officially at war? Are you telling me that's not the truth??!

flangola7 3y ago

But there's no sensationalism or propaganda here.

Dalewyn 3y ago
There's a mile wide difference between "disabling some brakes according to manuals" and "disabling all brakes and relying on just the thrust reversers". I know it's cool to harp that Russia is doomed, but propaganda is bad regardless whether it's coming from the Russians or the west.
- flangola7 3y ago
  No one here is claiming Russia is doomed, I don't care about the west or Russia or whatever. Flying a plane without a full complement of brakes is foolhardy all by itself.
ithkuil 3y ago
Propaganda has an interesting dynamics where it feeds off human instinctive behaviour. It would be hard to convince people about things they don't believe in already. Propaganda works by amplifying what people already want to believe and by giving tools for people who already want to believe in something but don't know how to back their beliefs with arguments. This leaves people who don't believe in the thing surrounded by people who wouldn't otherwise have strong rhetorical skills suddenly tooled with a barrage of pre-canned arguments and "facts" to disarm any fruitful conversation. A consequence of this dynamics is that often even pure factual presentations of an event gets spontaneously turned into "propaganda-like" discourse without necessarily any active involvement by state agends

mjan22640 3y ago

I am curious what is the point of the omnipresent "Russia is doomed" propaganda in the first place? People are emotionally uninvested in Russia, and Russia itself is in practice irrelevant. What is to gain here by manipulating the public opinion in this way?

SenHeng 3y ago
It makes people indifferent to the plight of the Ukrainians and promotes both sides-ism. Too many smart, intelligent, totally normally people that I usually respect and go to advice for, when asked about the Ukraine war have the opinion that 'Russia shouldn't have invaded but it was America's fault anyway because wavy hands. American should tell Ukraine to stop fighting and give up the land the belonged to Russia(USSR) anyway'. edit: I mis-read your post and got the reverse intention. Here's the reverse answer. By presenting Russia as on the brink of implosion, it gives the impression that the Ukrainians just have to hold on for a little bit more and everything bad will go away.

DonHopkins 3y ago

I thought Russia claimed it wasn't officially at war? Are you telling me that's not the truth??!