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> I welcome the day where we treat business less seriously. Teslas can and do kill people. Taking business "less seriously" is how you do things like remove li

by hypeit 3y ago

> I welcome the day where we treat business less seriously. Teslas can and do kill people. Taking business "less seriously" is how you do things like remove lidar and label the hobbled driver assist as "full self-driving". I doubt people who have had family members killed by a Tesla think these titles are cute and "fun".

blitz_skull 3y ago
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- hypeit 3y ago
  I don't trust the car to drive itself. I wouldn't trust a Musk car in any capacity! The problem is when some Musk fanboy plows through people because FSD goes haywire. That's not social darwinism, that's manslaughter.
_ea1k 3y ago
I bet the people who've had family members saved by them appreciate the fun. I bet the people who's family members have died in accidents, that wouldn't have happened if the other driver were in a Tesla, also appreciate the work that Tesla is doing.
mulmen 3y ago
Uptight corporate environments are demoralizing and dehumanizing. It may be possible that by having some fun at work Tesla is able to make their cars safer.
- hypeit 3y ago
  I mean Tesla is notorious for poor working conditions. Musk may be having fun, but that's not the general experience of working at his companies. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-workers-factory-conditions-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-wor...
  - mulmen 3y ago
    No kidding. Musk isn’t a fun person to work for. So instead of flaming one tiny fun thing you could celebrate it or at least ignore it. Making Tesla more uptight isn’t going to improve working conditions.
    - hypeit 3y ago
      > So instead of flaming one tiny fun thing The point is it's not "fun", it's Musk powertripping on his employees while he creates terrible working conditions.
      - mulmen 3y ago
        I don't see how a silly secondary title is "power tripping" or how it makes the working conditions worse.
unusualmonkey 3y ago
Can you prove any connection between the two?
- hypeit 3y ago
  You mean between not taking business seriously and making choices that put people's lives in danger? He was told by his team lidar was a better solution and on a whim he killed it, that's a pretty big connection!
  - unusualmonkey 3y ago
    You've not established that has anything to do with titles. Nor have you established killing lidar was a bad idea, or puts people's lives in danger. Remember that hype isn't the same as substance.
    - hypeit 3y ago
      I didn't say anything about titles. I said taking business less serious is how you make frivolous decisions like ripping out lidar. I'm hardly the only person who finds his moves suspect: https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-probes-elon-musks-role-tesla-self-driving-claims-bloomberg-news-2023-01-27/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-probes-elon-musks-...
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      - unusualmonkey 3y ago
        Even in this reduced claim, you haven't established this was a frivolous decision or due to 'taking business less serious'.
gamblor956 3y ago
About 90 minutes ago, a Tesla swerved into my car on surface streets and only avoided me because I was able to swerve into the opposing lane in time. (The driver was on his phone, and his hands were not on the steering wheel.) This is not even the first time this month that a Tesla using Autopilot/FSD has swerved toward my car like a drunk driver.

by hypeit 3y ago

blitz_skull 3y ago

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hypeit 3y ago
I don't trust the car to drive itself. I wouldn't trust a Musk car in any capacity! The problem is when some Musk fanboy plows through people because FSD goes haywire. That's not social darwinism, that's manslaughter.

_ea1k 3y ago

I bet the people who've had family members saved by them appreciate the fun. I bet the people who's family members have died in accidents, that wouldn't have happened if the other driver were in a Tesla, also appreciate the work that Tesla is doing.

mulmen 3y ago

Uptight corporate environments are demoralizing and dehumanizing. It may be possible that by having some fun at work Tesla is able to make their cars safer.

hypeit 3y ago
I mean Tesla is notorious for poor working conditions. Musk may be having fun, but that's not the general experience of working at his companies. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-workers-factory-conditions-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-wor...
- mulmen 3y ago
  No kidding. Musk isn’t a fun person to work for. So instead of flaming one tiny fun thing you could celebrate it or at least ignore it. Making Tesla more uptight isn’t going to improve working conditions.
  - hypeit 3y ago
    > So instead of flaming one tiny fun thing The point is it's not "fun", it's Musk powertripping on his employees while he creates terrible working conditions.
    - mulmen 3y ago
      I don't see how a silly secondary title is "power tripping" or how it makes the working conditions worse.

unusualmonkey 3y ago

Can you prove any connection between the two?

hypeit 3y ago
You mean between not taking business seriously and making choices that put people's lives in danger? He was told by his team lidar was a better solution and on a whim he killed it, that's a pretty big connection!
- unusualmonkey 3y ago
  You've not established that has anything to do with titles. Nor have you established killing lidar was a bad idea, or puts people's lives in danger. Remember that hype isn't the same as substance.
  - hypeit 3y ago
    I didn't say anything about titles. I said taking business less serious is how you make frivolous decisions like ripping out lidar. I'm hardly the only person who finds his moves suspect: https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-probes-elon-musks-role-tesla-self-driving-claims-bloomberg-news-2023-01-27/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-probes-elon-musks-...
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    - unusualmonkey 3y ago
      Even in this reduced claim, you haven't established this was a frivolous decision or due to 'taking business less serious'.

gamblor956 3y ago

About 90 minutes ago, a Tesla swerved into my car on surface streets and only avoided me because I was able to swerve into the opposing lane in time. (The driver was on his phone, and his hands were not on the steering wheel.) This is not even the first time this month that a Tesla using Autopilot/FSD has swerved toward my car like a drunk driver.