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Thank you for that link. In case anyone else is wondering, this is a Telegram chat with actual pilots in it. There is currently a lot of cursing in that threa

Thank you for that link. In case anyone else is wondering, this is a Telegram chat with actual pilots in it. There is currently a lot of cursing in that thread about stupid sensational news on the topic, along with an actual explanation. Aeroflot is disabling 1 out of 4 brakes, not all 4. Nobody is actually trying to stop a plane with just reverse thrusters.

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Waterluvian 3y ago
This feels like “it’s not as bad as it seems. Only three rooms are currently on fire, not twelve.” …They’re disabling brakes?
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  I think the moral here is there is an unhealthy dash of sensationalism and propaganda that must be sifted away, if we actually want to take any worthwhile information out of this. As the saying goes, the first casualty in war is truth.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    But there's no sensationalism or propaganda here.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      There's a mile wide difference between "disabling some brakes according to manuals" and "disabling all brakes and relying on just the thrust reversers". I know it's cool to harp that Russia is doomed, but propaganda is bad regardless whether it's coming from the Russians or the west.
      - flangola7 3y ago
        No one here is claiming Russia is doomed, I don't care about the west or Russia or whatever. Flying a plane without a full complement of brakes is foolhardy all by itself.
    - ithkuil 3y ago
      Propaganda has an interesting dynamics where it feeds off human instinctive behaviour. It would be hard to convince people about things they don't believe in already. Propaganda works by amplifying what people already want to believe and by giving tools for people who already want to believe in something but don't know how to back their beliefs with arguments. This leaves people who don't believe in the thing surrounded by people who wouldn't otherwise have strong rhetorical skills suddenly tooled with a barrage of pre-canned arguments and "facts" to disarm any fruitful conversation. A consequence of this dynamics is that often even pure factual presentations of an event gets spontaneously turned into "propaganda-like" discourse without necessarily any active involvement by state agends
  - mjan22640 3y ago
    I am curious what is the point of the omnipresent "Russia is doomed" propaganda in the first place? People are emotionally uninvested in Russia, and Russia itself is in practice irrelevant. What is to gain here by manipulating the public opinion in this way?
    - SenHeng 3y ago
      It makes people indifferent to the plight of the Ukrainians and promotes both sides-ism. Too many smart, intelligent, totally normally people that I usually respect and go to advice for, when asked about the Ukraine war have the opinion that 'Russia shouldn't have invaded but it was America's fault anyway because wavy hands. American should tell Ukraine to stop fighting and give up the land the belonged to Russia(USSR) anyway'. edit: I mis-read your post and got the reverse intention. Here's the reverse answer. By presenting Russia as on the brink of implosion, it gives the impression that the Ukrainians just have to hold on for a little bit more and everything bad will go away.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    I thought Russia claimed it wasn't officially at war? Are you telling me that's not the truth??!
- a1369209993 3y ago
  At the risk of confusing mixed metaphores, I'd say it's more like "It's not as bad as it seems. We only have one flat tire, not four.". I don't know if that claim is actually true, mind, but it sounds like a problem that has multiple levels of solutions still to go before it becomes catastrophic.
antondd 3y ago
I went and read through the last 3 days of chat history, including the part where the original article was mentioned. There are not really a lot of “cursing about stupid sensational news“ there. In fact, people were posting screenshots of news about Chemezov (the Head of Rostech) reporting to putin about the ongoing cannibalisation of the current fleet. Why use throwaway btw?
jbergens 3y ago
> Aeroflot is disabling 1 out of 4 brakes, not all 4 1 out of 4 brakes _so far_...

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Waterluvian 3y ago

This feels like “it’s not as bad as it seems. Only three rooms are currently on fire, not twelve.” …They’re disabling brakes?

Dalewyn 3y ago
I think the moral here is there is an unhealthy dash of sensationalism and propaganda that must be sifted away, if we actually want to take any worthwhile information out of this. As the saying goes, the first casualty in war is truth.
- flangola7 3y ago
  But there's no sensationalism or propaganda here.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    There's a mile wide difference between "disabling some brakes according to manuals" and "disabling all brakes and relying on just the thrust reversers". I know it's cool to harp that Russia is doomed, but propaganda is bad regardless whether it's coming from the Russians or the west.
    - flangola7 3y ago
      No one here is claiming Russia is doomed, I don't care about the west or Russia or whatever. Flying a plane without a full complement of brakes is foolhardy all by itself.
  - ithkuil 3y ago
    Propaganda has an interesting dynamics where it feeds off human instinctive behaviour. It would be hard to convince people about things they don't believe in already. Propaganda works by amplifying what people already want to believe and by giving tools for people who already want to believe in something but don't know how to back their beliefs with arguments. This leaves people who don't believe in the thing surrounded by people who wouldn't otherwise have strong rhetorical skills suddenly tooled with a barrage of pre-canned arguments and "facts" to disarm any fruitful conversation. A consequence of this dynamics is that often even pure factual presentations of an event gets spontaneously turned into "propaganda-like" discourse without necessarily any active involvement by state agends
- mjan22640 3y ago
  I am curious what is the point of the omnipresent "Russia is doomed" propaganda in the first place? People are emotionally uninvested in Russia, and Russia itself is in practice irrelevant. What is to gain here by manipulating the public opinion in this way?
  - SenHeng 3y ago
    It makes people indifferent to the plight of the Ukrainians and promotes both sides-ism. Too many smart, intelligent, totally normally people that I usually respect and go to advice for, when asked about the Ukraine war have the opinion that 'Russia shouldn't have invaded but it was America's fault anyway because wavy hands. American should tell Ukraine to stop fighting and give up the land the belonged to Russia(USSR) anyway'. edit: I mis-read your post and got the reverse intention. Here's the reverse answer. By presenting Russia as on the brink of implosion, it gives the impression that the Ukrainians just have to hold on for a little bit more and everything bad will go away.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  I thought Russia claimed it wasn't officially at war? Are you telling me that's not the truth??!
a1369209993 3y ago
At the risk of confusing mixed metaphores, I'd say it's more like "It's not as bad as it seems. We only have one flat tire, not four.". I don't know if that claim is actually true, mind, but it sounds like a problem that has multiple levels of solutions still to go before it becomes catastrophic.

antondd 3y ago

I went and read through the last 3 days of chat history, including the part where the original article was mentioned. There are not really a lot of “cursing about stupid sensational news“ there. In fact, people were posting screenshots of news about Chemezov (the Head of Rostech) reporting to putin about the ongoing cannibalisation of the current fleet. Why use throwaway btw?

jbergens 3y ago

> Aeroflot is disabling 1 out of 4 brakes, not all 4 1 out of 4 brakes _so far_...