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Story from a friend. Once, flying on a Russian domestic airline flight, they noticed something like a little shrine at the back. Some black and white photos, fl

Story from a friend. Once, flying on a Russian domestic airline flight, they noticed something like a little shrine at the back. Some black and white photos, flowers, mementos. They asked the cabin crew about it. Response was, well, the plane had crashed once, killing some people on board, including some staff. So they are commemorated here. But the plane is fine. Anecdote aside, it's fair to say Russia has a somewhat laissez-faire attitude to safety.

parl_match 3y ago
To be fair, in America I don't think we have rules against reintroducing planes involved in deadly incidents, but are still airworthy. The shrine is a bit wild, though.
- windexh8er 3y ago
  Given the Max 8 debacle [0], I'd agree we don't seem to have many great rules around this. [0] https://apnews.com/article/boeing-max-crashes-faa-ea8fac0ad2758b08c58d2d64756fbf37 https://apnews.com/article/boeing-max-crashes-faa-ea8fac0ad2...
  - mulmen 3y ago
    The difference in this case is that when the Max-8s crashed they were no longer airworthy and were not re-flown.
    - mannykannot 3y ago
      After the 2nd. one.
      - mulmen 3y ago
        None of the crashed 737 MAX-8s were ever re-flown. This is a conversation about re-flying air frames that have been involved in fatalities. Air frames here means the planes, not the model. The 737 Max-8 is a cautionary tale about a lot of things, but re-flying crashed airframes is not one of the lessons.
        mannykannot 3y ago
        You are right - my mistake.
- anticodon 3y ago
  We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor comes to "Chechen" restaurant in the center of St. Petersburg, and orders only a glass of vodka. Firstly, there are no Chechen restaurants. Especially in the center of St. Petersburg. I don't know why, but anybody living here in Russia wouldn't be able to find any Chechen restaurant in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Russian, Ukranian, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, whatever, but not Chechen. Secondly, not all Russians drink vodka, not even majority. Vodka is considered a drink for poor and alcoholics. I don't think it's true, I think that vodka is superior to many other spirits, but that's the typical Russian stereotype. Thirdly, Russian people never order just vodka. We always drink vodka together with substantial food. Not only it is considered a very poor taste to drink vodka without food, it's also absolutely not enjoyable to consume it this way. And on the cover of the book it was written that the story is very close to the truth, which makes Le Carré special. OMG. So, this whole story about a shrine in a plane is bullshit.
  - woodruffw 3y ago
    I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. Do you think every American drives a pickup truck and owns 12 guns? You probably don't, because you're not a fool; similarly, most Americans don't think that Russians live their lives swizzling vodka in Chechen restaurants. Le Carré is a novelist, not a biographer.
    - anticodon 3y ago
      > I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. You won't find many Russian authors vilifying USA habits and culture. Not among popular ones, for sure. Nor the Russian movies. That makes a difference. When there's a Russian in the US movie, I mentally prepare myself for a cringe. Usually, it would be a unreasonably aggressive person, killer or terrorist, or just a bad person. Drinking vodka like water, beating women, etc, etc. You'd have hard time finding anything resembling this in Russian books or movies about USA.
wkat4242 3y ago
In the West airplanes are also repaired and put back in service after a crash where possible.
- netsharc 3y ago
  E.g. Qantas' fix to maintain a no hull-loss accidents: https://simpleflying.com/qantas-flight-1-runway-excursion-anniversary/ https://simpleflying.com/qantas-flight-1-runway-excursion-an... > However, the aircraft took on severe damage. Its nose and right wing collapsed, and the two right wing engines were damaged. While Qantas did not disclose an exact figure, it cost the carrier less than AU$100 million in repairs, which was significantly cheaper than buying a new 747 at the time. > Repairing and returning the aircraft to service also helped Qantas maintain its record of having no hull-loss accidents upon the rise of the Jet Age at the time, which also meant the carrier could uphold its safety reputation.
oceanplexian 3y ago
I flew on a Russian domestic flight 10-ish years ago, and people were still lighting up cigarettes on the plane if that says anything.
- foverzar 3y ago
  Weird, smoking on civillian aircrafts was forbidden in 2002.
  - xp84 3y ago
    2002 was only 8-9 years ago. Source: am a millennial, the math checks out for me
- vGPU 3y ago
  You might want to check what year it is. There are only two countries that have allowed smoking on planes in the past decade: Cuba, and China. Both have banned it. China was the last to do so, with their ban on pilots smoking that only began getting enforced in 2019.
vGPU 3y ago
Air Canada 143. JAL2. Just a few of the airplanes that have crashed and been put back into service. It’s pretty common so long as it’s economic. Otherwise, they’ll get stripped for parts.

parl_match 3y ago

To be fair, in America I don't think we have rules against reintroducing planes involved in deadly incidents, but are still airworthy. The shrine is a bit wild, though.

windexh8er 3y ago
Given the Max 8 debacle [0], I'd agree we don't seem to have many great rules around this. [0] https://apnews.com/article/boeing-max-crashes-faa-ea8fac0ad2758b08c58d2d64756fbf37 https://apnews.com/article/boeing-max-crashes-faa-ea8fac0ad2...
- mulmen 3y ago
  The difference in this case is that when the Max-8s crashed they were no longer airworthy and were not re-flown.
  - mannykannot 3y ago
    After the 2nd. one.
    - mulmen 3y ago
      None of the crashed 737 MAX-8s were ever re-flown. This is a conversation about re-flying air frames that have been involved in fatalities. Air frames here means the planes, not the model. The 737 Max-8 is a cautionary tale about a lot of things, but re-flying crashed airframes is not one of the lessons.
      - mannykannot 3y ago
        You are right - my mistake.
anticodon 3y ago
We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor comes to "Chechen" restaurant in the center of St. Petersburg, and orders only a glass of vodka. Firstly, there are no Chechen restaurants. Especially in the center of St. Petersburg. I don't know why, but anybody living here in Russia wouldn't be able to find any Chechen restaurant in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Russian, Ukranian, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, whatever, but not Chechen. Secondly, not all Russians drink vodka, not even majority. Vodka is considered a drink for poor and alcoholics. I don't think it's true, I think that vodka is superior to many other spirits, but that's the typical Russian stereotype. Thirdly, Russian people never order just vodka. We always drink vodka together with substantial food. Not only it is considered a very poor taste to drink vodka without food, it's also absolutely not enjoyable to consume it this way. And on the cover of the book it was written that the story is very close to the truth, which makes Le Carré special. OMG. So, this whole story about a shrine in a plane is bullshit.
- woodruffw 3y ago
  I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. Do you think every American drives a pickup truck and owns 12 guns? You probably don't, because you're not a fool; similarly, most Americans don't think that Russians live their lives swizzling vodka in Chechen restaurants. Le Carré is a novelist, not a biographer.
  - anticodon 3y ago
    > I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. You won't find many Russian authors vilifying USA habits and culture. Not among popular ones, for sure. Nor the Russian movies. That makes a difference. When there's a Russian in the US movie, I mentally prepare myself for a cringe. Usually, it would be a unreasonably aggressive person, killer or terrorist, or just a bad person. Drinking vodka like water, beating women, etc, etc. You'd have hard time finding anything resembling this in Russian books or movies about USA.

wkat4242 3y ago

In the West airplanes are also repaired and put back in service after a crash where possible.

netsharc 3y ago
E.g. Qantas' fix to maintain a no hull-loss accidents: https://simpleflying.com/qantas-flight-1-runway-excursion-anniversary/ https://simpleflying.com/qantas-flight-1-runway-excursion-an... > However, the aircraft took on severe damage. Its nose and right wing collapsed, and the two right wing engines were damaged. While Qantas did not disclose an exact figure, it cost the carrier less than AU$100 million in repairs, which was significantly cheaper than buying a new 747 at the time. > Repairing and returning the aircraft to service also helped Qantas maintain its record of having no hull-loss accidents upon the rise of the Jet Age at the time, which also meant the carrier could uphold its safety reputation.

oceanplexian 3y ago

I flew on a Russian domestic flight 10-ish years ago, and people were still lighting up cigarettes on the plane if that says anything.

foverzar 3y ago
Weird, smoking on civillian aircrafts was forbidden in 2002.
- xp84 3y ago
  2002 was only 8-9 years ago. Source: am a millennial, the math checks out for me
vGPU 3y ago
You might want to check what year it is. There are only two countries that have allowed smoking on planes in the past decade: Cuba, and China. Both have banned it. China was the last to do so, with their ban on pilots smoking that only began getting enforced in 2019.

vGPU 3y ago

Air Canada 143. JAL2. Just a few of the airplanes that have crashed and been put back into service. It’s pretty common so long as it’s economic. Otherwise, they’ll get stripped for parts.