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The fact that it's using devs from 'remote countries' says to me they want to pay low wages. If this project paid market wages and was for devs worldwide who m
by amykhar 3y ago
The fact that it's using devs from 'remote countries' says to me they want to pay low wages. If this project paid market wages and was for devs worldwide who met minimum qualifications, I'd think it was cool. As it stands now, it just comes across as borderline exploitation.
- wutania 3y agoafaik gitstart pays above market in the local economies, but there’s always room to improve of course. however it’s hard to pay everyone the market rate of american companies. the developers are typically folks who wouldn’t be able to get a remote job otherwise due to universities not being globally recognized or english is not super fluent. many developers grow a lot during their time at gitstart and eventually move on to getting jobs at places like Google, Amazon too. they support any developer to grow (there’s a team dedicated to figure out growth paths for each developer on the platform) disclaimer: i used to work at gitstart
- Kiro 3y agoWhat are market wages? Even in my country which qualifies as one of the most modern countries in the world the wages are really low compared to the US.
- hmcq6 3y ago> wages are really low compared to the US. Now consider that most US developers are under-paid
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoA low wage in the market is a market wage. I'm not sure where you get "exploitation" from this.
- killerstorm 3y agoMarket wages are set by supply & demand. If somebody to agrees to a "low wage" and there's no coercion or deception involved, it's a market wage, by definition.
- joshmanders 3y agoI think you're looking at it with malice in mind. I see it as more of a "Lets get work to remote countries that typically wouldn't and show people that they can be quality developers"
- regular_trash 3y agoI don't think you have to have malice in mind to see it in that way. It's more like: This is a company, and they have to make money. And it isn't a far leap to assume the margins come from exploiting the mismatch between value of labor across countries borders.
- duderific 3y agoI don't have a dog in this fight, but is it really "exploiting" if both sides are happy? Remote devs are getting paid where they may not have in the past, and customers are getting code written up to a standard that is acceptable to them, while paying less than they might otherwise.
- zlg_codes 3y ago> I don't have a dog in this fight, but is it really "exploiting" if both sides are happy? I recall a study in which monkeys were given the same food for X days. They switched it up and replaced one monkey's food with something else, of an equal amount. It created frustration in the monkey that didn't get the different food, even though he was happy when he got the same thing. I think this is really close to "ignorance is bliss". The ignorance of how bad you're getting screwed doesn't mean you're getting screwed any less.
- pie_flavor 3y agoYou can frame 'getting helped less than the ideal' as 'getting screwed', but it doesn't change the fact that the baseline is 'not getting helped at all'. If you say 'you have to pay them American market wages or not at all', and they say 'okay, guess we won't hire them at all', who has this ultimatum helped? https://laneless.substack.com/p/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethics https://laneless.substack.com/p/the-copenhagen-interpretatio...