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I know a lot of people will use this to say that blockchain bad, and that is up to you. But really biometrics collection has little to do with blockchain. World

by vvpan 3y ago

I know a lot of people will use this to say that blockchain bad, and that is up to you. But really biometrics collection has little to do with blockchain. Worldcoin is firstly a company that collects biometrics and secondly they decided to use an immutable ledger to record the data (although they claim that it is only hashes). That aside if I wanted to record a bunch of hashes for perpetuity blockchain would actually be the right technology - does not go out of business and take down the servers with it. The article makes me laugh and sad at the same time though. This Altman guy...

jabradoodle 3y ago
Blockchain would not be the right tech if you don't need decentralised trust. Write once media on a server is what you want.
- landemva 3y ago
  > Write once media ... Like publishing merkle tree hash in a few daily newspapers.
- humanizersequel 3y ago
  >Write once media on a server is what you want How does that solve this problem: >[company will] go out of business and take down the servers with it
  - roncesvalles 3y ago
    Open-source it, publish it somewhere or make it a bittorrent. Using blockchain as a hosting solution feels like a misuse.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    distributed public key, and a private-signed hash of the dataset.
    - px43 3y ago
      How do you know that the dataset is the most up to date version? Maybe some sort of globally distributed time-stamping mechanism? Oh hey look, it's a blockchain.
      - tracker1 3y ago
        Or... the source of record can publish an xml file or something when there's updates to the signed diff... rss. No slow consensus model needed. If you aren't in an adversarial context with multiple publishers, you don't need blockchain.
        px43 3y ago
        > source of record How is this published? On a single server somewhere? What country would you put it in? A friendly one I hope. Also one that won't block access to other countries that it might have petty disagreements with in the future. It might be a good idea for it to be replicated across a number of servers across the internet. We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space.
        ahtihn 3y ago
        > We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space. Mirrors existed long before blockchain.
        tracker1 3y ago
        Blockchain, the new uber-tech-hammer.. everyone gets nailed.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Or even a signed hash against a confirmed/known/distributed public key. Blockchain is only useful in a decentralized + adversarial context where there is a need to remove one-another's ability to game a given system. And even then, it doesn't imply a perfect security around it. Since it won't stop theft, breach, scams or other vectors.
- dsco 3y ago
  Are there any frameworks/platforms for this?
  - h4kor 3y ago
    have you heard of txt files? If you want to proof you didn't temper with the historic data, publish a daily hash in some newspapers.
    - vvpan 3y ago
      Actually I would say that that is exactly what blockchain does, except as a protocol and relying on a network rather than a newspaper. Actually I might use this to explain blockchain to people on a base level.
    - tornato7 3y ago
      So you're suggesting that publishing a hash in a newspaper every day is a better solution than a digital ledger? This is peak buttcoiner logic. That actually used to be done [1], because Blockchain are valuable, but not anymore because digital versions are more scalable, efficient, reliable, global, trustless etc. Etc. 1. https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/first-instance-of-blockchain-discovered-in-new-york-times-circa-1995/ https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/first-instance-of-block...
  - namdnay 3y ago
    Git?
unboxingelf 3y ago
you forgot the shitcoinery - there is a token, with a premine, unfairly distributed. the VCs that invested (SBF, a16z,etc) will benefit disproportionately. it’s a scam.
- vvpan 3y ago
  I cannot argue with bad token, premine - I have not researched but I believe it. "VC coins" in general have these issues it seems. Just trying to say that not every shitcoin is trying to get people to give them their biometrics, that is a separate issue in my opinion.
  - unboxingelf 3y ago
    it’s the worst of both worlds.
- 93po 3y ago
  There are legitimate reasons to premine, and creating a token with the intention of using it as a channel for UBI (literally giving money away) doesn't really scream "scam" to me considering the people backing it
  - unboxingelf 3y ago
    why should Scam Altcoin control a centralized UBI system? sounds like a scam to me.
  - c31931b 3y ago
    Backers [0] like a16z [1], Coinbase [2], Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) [3], Three Arrows Capital (3AC) [4], Digital Currency Group (DCG) [5]? [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin.org/about https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin... [1]: https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501 https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501 [2]: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102 [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_charges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_c... [4]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/three-arrows-founders-whereabouts-unknown-stymying-liquidators https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/three-arr... [5]: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-giant-dcg-investigation-us-prosecutors-genesis-money-transfers-ftx-2023-1 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-g... much wow, very legit

by vvpan 3y ago

jabradoodle 3y ago

Blockchain would not be the right tech if you don't need decentralised trust. Write once media on a server is what you want.

landemva 3y ago
> Write once media ... Like publishing merkle tree hash in a few daily newspapers.
humanizersequel 3y ago
>Write once media on a server is what you want How does that solve this problem: >[company will] go out of business and take down the servers with it
- roncesvalles 3y ago
  Open-source it, publish it somewhere or make it a bittorrent. Using blockchain as a hosting solution feels like a misuse.
- tracker1 3y ago
  distributed public key, and a private-signed hash of the dataset.
  - px43 3y ago
    How do you know that the dataset is the most up to date version? Maybe some sort of globally distributed time-stamping mechanism? Oh hey look, it's a blockchain.
    - tracker1 3y ago
      Or... the source of record can publish an xml file or something when there's updates to the signed diff... rss. No slow consensus model needed. If you aren't in an adversarial context with multiple publishers, you don't need blockchain.
      - px43 3y ago
        > source of record How is this published? On a single server somewhere? What country would you put it in? A friendly one I hope. Also one that won't block access to other countries that it might have petty disagreements with in the future. It might be a good idea for it to be replicated across a number of servers across the internet. We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space.
        ahtihn 3y ago
        > We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space. Mirrors existed long before blockchain.
        tracker1 3y ago
        Blockchain, the new uber-tech-hammer.. everyone gets nailed.
tracker1 3y ago
Or even a signed hash against a confirmed/known/distributed public key. Blockchain is only useful in a decentralized + adversarial context where there is a need to remove one-another's ability to game a given system. And even then, it doesn't imply a perfect security around it. Since it won't stop theft, breach, scams or other vectors.
dsco 3y ago
Are there any frameworks/platforms for this?
- h4kor 3y ago
  have you heard of txt files? If you want to proof you didn't temper with the historic data, publish a daily hash in some newspapers.
  - vvpan 3y ago
    Actually I would say that that is exactly what blockchain does, except as a protocol and relying on a network rather than a newspaper. Actually I might use this to explain blockchain to people on a base level.
  - tornato7 3y ago
    So you're suggesting that publishing a hash in a newspaper every day is a better solution than a digital ledger? This is peak buttcoiner logic. That actually used to be done [1], because Blockchain are valuable, but not anymore because digital versions are more scalable, efficient, reliable, global, trustless etc. Etc. 1. https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/first-instance-of-blockchain-discovered-in-new-york-times-circa-1995/ https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/first-instance-of-block...
- namdnay 3y ago
  Git?

unboxingelf 3y ago

you forgot the shitcoinery - there is a token, with a premine, unfairly distributed. the VCs that invested (SBF, a16z,etc) will benefit disproportionately. it’s a scam.

vvpan 3y ago
I cannot argue with bad token, premine - I have not researched but I believe it. "VC coins" in general have these issues it seems. Just trying to say that not every shitcoin is trying to get people to give them their biometrics, that is a separate issue in my opinion.
- unboxingelf 3y ago
  it’s the worst of both worlds.
93po 3y ago
There are legitimate reasons to premine, and creating a token with the intention of using it as a channel for UBI (literally giving money away) doesn't really scream "scam" to me considering the people backing it
- unboxingelf 3y ago
  why should Scam Altcoin control a centralized UBI system? sounds like a scam to me.
- c31931b 3y ago
  Backers [0] like a16z [1], Coinbase [2], Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) [3], Three Arrows Capital (3AC) [4], Digital Currency Group (DCG) [5]? [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin.org/about https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin... [1]: https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501 https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501 [2]: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102 [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_charges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_c... [4]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/three-arrows-founders-whereabouts-unknown-stymying-liquidators https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/three-arr... [5]: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-giant-dcg-investigation-us-prosecutors-genesis-money-transfers-ftx-2023-1 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-g... much wow, very legit