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> Why would Worldcoin beta-test in Kenya vs SV if not in an attempt to fly under the radar of scrutiny Iris scanning is already widely used in the U.S. and has

> Why would Worldcoin beta-test in Kenya vs SV if not in an attempt to fly under the radar of scrutiny Iris scanning is already widely used in the U.S. and hasn't received much scrutiny. It's in the news all the time, e.g. with the owners of Madison Square Garden using it to keep their political enemies from going to concerts. You probably use it every time you get on an airplane already. Even LinkedIn uses CLEAR to power their verified profiles.

gowld 3y ago
My iris is scanned on an airplane? If so, it's not being disclosed to me.
- tristor 3y ago
  They're probably referring to the optional facial recognition based boarding systems that many airports in the US are rolling out, primarily for international flights. It uses facial recognition to match you to your passport photo based on the documents verified during check-in, to ensure the person boarding the flight is the same person who checked-in when their documents were manually verified and recorded in the computer system. You can still hand your passport and boarding pass to the gate agent, it's not required to do facial recognition boarding if you don't want to, and at any rate it's not doing an iris scan, it's using a standard facial dotmap to match to a photo. It's not even doing 3D mapping, because it's source material is a standard passport photo.
  - 93po 3y ago
    Last time I flew into the US, if I remember correctly, I was required to submit to a facial scan to through customs. I am American.
    - tristor 3y ago
      You are not. There are three different programs by which you can accelerate entry/re-entry to the US and all three rely on facial recognition. All are optional. There is no facial recognition in the normal re-entry line (and all these processes are before customs as part of border control). Foreigner entry may now require facial recognition, I’m a US citizen so don’t experience the process foreigners go through.
      - 93po 3y ago
        Fair - I don't have the best memory. Thanks!
rgrieselhuber 3y ago
> You probably use it every time you get on an airplane already. False. More importantly, however, this is an example of the "you're already doing it so it's not a big deal" fallacy.
- Alex3917 3y ago
  > More importantly, however, this is an example of the "you're already doing it so it's not a big deal" fallacy I'm not saying it's not a big deal, I'm saying it hasn't gotten much scrutiny, at least relative to comparable innovations in the past. E.g. when airports introduced body scanners, Jeffrey Rosen wrote an entire book about this called The Naked Crowd. Where's the equivalent scrutiny for iris scanners?
  - rgrieselhuber 3y ago
    Good question. Probably because they aren’t as widely deployed (yet) but there should be just as much and more scrutiny on these as well. They also seem pointless given ambient facial / gait / body morphology recognition (which I am also against).

gowld 3y ago

My iris is scanned on an airplane? If so, it's not being disclosed to me.

tristor 3y ago
They're probably referring to the optional facial recognition based boarding systems that many airports in the US are rolling out, primarily for international flights. It uses facial recognition to match you to your passport photo based on the documents verified during check-in, to ensure the person boarding the flight is the same person who checked-in when their documents were manually verified and recorded in the computer system. You can still hand your passport and boarding pass to the gate agent, it's not required to do facial recognition boarding if you don't want to, and at any rate it's not doing an iris scan, it's using a standard facial dotmap to match to a photo. It's not even doing 3D mapping, because it's source material is a standard passport photo.
- 93po 3y ago
  Last time I flew into the US, if I remember correctly, I was required to submit to a facial scan to through customs. I am American.
  - tristor 3y ago
    You are not. There are three different programs by which you can accelerate entry/re-entry to the US and all three rely on facial recognition. All are optional. There is no facial recognition in the normal re-entry line (and all these processes are before customs as part of border control). Foreigner entry may now require facial recognition, I’m a US citizen so don’t experience the process foreigners go through.
    - 93po 3y ago
      Fair - I don't have the best memory. Thanks!

rgrieselhuber 3y ago

> You probably use it every time you get on an airplane already. False. More importantly, however, this is an example of the "you're already doing it so it's not a big deal" fallacy.

Alex3917 3y ago
> More importantly, however, this is an example of the "you're already doing it so it's not a big deal" fallacy I'm not saying it's not a big deal, I'm saying it hasn't gotten much scrutiny, at least relative to comparable innovations in the past. E.g. when airports introduced body scanners, Jeffrey Rosen wrote an entire book about this called The Naked Crowd. Where's the equivalent scrutiny for iris scanners?
- rgrieselhuber 3y ago
  Good question. Probably because they aren’t as widely deployed (yet) but there should be just as much and more scrutiny on these as well. They also seem pointless given ambient facial / gait / body morphology recognition (which I am also against).