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Maybe they wanted for the forced abductions of military-aged men to stop, in which case anything goes.

by paganel 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago
I can't follow you at all.
- paganel 3y ago
  I'm saying this could be internal Ukrainian resistance, composed of military-aged men who are sick and tired of being forcefully sent to the front-lines (there are numerous videos of military-aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines).
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Ok. You seem to be very eager to connect things that aren't necessarily connected and I'd suggest a change of sources for your information. Up to 3 months ago volunteers outnumbered training capacity, 'numerous videos of military aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines' is the purest form of Russian propaganda. Yes, Ukraine has a conscript army, yes, there are deserters, no, there are no 'abductions' by the Ukrainian army, though if deserters are arrested they face up to 10 years in prison. The only country where people are abducted from the streets to be sent to the front is in Russia, and in Russian occupied territory.
    - paganel 3y ago
      > 'numerous videos of military aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines' is the purest form of Russian propaganda I don't think the numerous such videos I saw were fake, and them being used by Russian propaganda didn't make them any less real. > no, there are no 'abductions' by the Ukrainian army, [1] January 2023 [2] June 2023 [3] July 2023 [4] Three days ago, the beginning of August 2023 And these are just the most "famous". On a more general note, it doesn't surprise me that the audience of this forum is the prime target of NAFO-like thinking, to the contrary. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10ijxah/ua_pov_mobilization_of_ukrainian_men_in_odessa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10ijxa... [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13xq6di/ru_pov_in_odessa_a_man_abandoned_his_car_on_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13xq6d... [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14zbeoq/ru_pov_6_ukrainian_military_personnels_in_dnipro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14zbeo... [4] https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1687531854537097228 https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1687531854537097228
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        That is exactly what those sim boxes are for, in case you were wondering. Really, you should just lay off stuff like this if you don't have personal contacts in Ukraine that relay to you what is going on. Otherwise the chances are very high that you're being sold a bill of goods there is absolutely no way to prove or disprove any of this if it is second hand if it isn't from a very reputable source, say a BBC reporter or something like that. As for the NAFO stuff... if you're of that opinion, what are you doing here?

Maybe they wanted for the forced abductions of military-aged men to stop, in which case anything goes.

jacquesm 3y ago

I can't follow you at all.

paganel 3y ago
I'm saying this could be internal Ukrainian resistance, composed of military-aged men who are sick and tired of being forcefully sent to the front-lines (there are numerous videos of military-aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines).
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Ok. You seem to be very eager to connect things that aren't necessarily connected and I'd suggest a change of sources for your information. Up to 3 months ago volunteers outnumbered training capacity, 'numerous videos of military aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines' is the purest form of Russian propaganda. Yes, Ukraine has a conscript army, yes, there are deserters, no, there are no 'abductions' by the Ukrainian army, though if deserters are arrested they face up to 10 years in prison. The only country where people are abducted from the streets to be sent to the front is in Russia, and in Russian occupied territory.
  - paganel 3y ago
    > 'numerous videos of military aged men being abducted from the streets of Ukraine in order to be sent to said front-lines' is the purest form of Russian propaganda I don't think the numerous such videos I saw were fake, and them being used by Russian propaganda didn't make them any less real. > no, there are no 'abductions' by the Ukrainian army, [1] January 2023 [2] June 2023 [3] July 2023 [4] Three days ago, the beginning of August 2023 And these are just the most "famous". On a more general note, it doesn't surprise me that the audience of this forum is the prime target of NAFO-like thinking, to the contrary. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10ijxah/ua_pov_mobilization_of_ukrainian_men_in_odessa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10ijxa... [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13xq6di/ru_pov_in_odessa_a_man_abandoned_his_car_on_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13xq6d... [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14zbeoq/ru_pov_6_ukrainian_military_personnels_in_dnipro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14zbeo... [4] https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1687531854537097228 https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1687531854537097228
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      That is exactly what those sim boxes are for, in case you were wondering. Really, you should just lay off stuff like this if you don't have personal contacts in Ukraine that relay to you what is going on. Otherwise the chances are very high that you're being sold a bill of goods there is absolutely no way to prove or disprove any of this if it is second hand if it isn't from a very reputable source, say a BBC reporter or something like that. As for the NAFO stuff... if you're of that opinion, what are you doing here?