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The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal w
by Workaccount2 3y ago
The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux.
I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI.
People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including right now.
I'm someone who does way more than email and youtube, but has less than zero interest in spending 6 months learning the nomenclature and structure of linux so I can become a proper user.
- rdp36 3y agoIt's called a Chromebook.
- joshspankit 3y agoYou might like the ability to use natural language on the CLI, then have AI create and run the command for you. One example of many: https://github.com/mattvr/ShellGPT https://github.com/mattvr/ShellGPT
- account42 3y ago> a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI ERROR: Does not compute. A CLI is the pinacle of power user friendlyness.
- postmodest 3y agoThere is a FreeBSD fork that does exactly that, but to use it you need to buy a $3000 hardware dongle.... That's the path a lot of Mac Users are on, though we also have a telemetry problem; the only advantage is that it stays "in house".
- qwytw 3y ago> FreeBSD fork Isn't NeXTSTEP quite a bit older than FreeBSD?
- ign0ramus 3y agoWhat's the name of the fork?
- okanat 3y agoMac has never been power user friendly.
- washadjeffmad 3y ago> never Oh, yes it was. The Macintosh was once a platform for independent professionals and small businesses to build their own software using native tooling. The add-in cards you could buy for the Apple II would shock you in today's anti-consumer ownership war being waged by vendors.
- joshspankit 3y agoI’d say it’s actually been power-user friendly 3 times: 1. The Apple II 2. Late 80s/early 90s when screen savers and [I can’t remember the name. Something makes me want to say ‘shell extensions’? small apps that made deep and wondrous tweaks to the system] were allowed to experiment with almost complete freedom 3. OSX. The first version was specifically designed for power users who had existing Unix/Linux skills. Special shout-out to some of the early tools as well: Automator, Quartz Composer, Audio Unit Lab, and even Applescript.
- femiagbabiaka 3y agoPower users require CLI on every OS. Not just Linux, but also Windows or OSX, to be specific.
- qwytw 3y agoEspecially macOS. Generally I feel like it's way easier to avoid the terminal on Linux since there are GUI apps for most stuff.
- femiagbabiaka 3y agoYep, the difference between the Ubuntu experience and the Mac experience is stark. Also when the time comes to do power user stuff, macOS has many differences from Linux that have not been translated to documentation well, basically issues there are less Googleable.
- screamingninja 3y agoPlease correct me if I am wrong, but is this not a straw man argument? > spending 6 months learning the nomenclature and structure of linux > become a proper user Care to elaborate? My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now for "email and youtube". They do not even know what a CLI is. What are you trying to accomplish that does not work out of the box?
- ghastmaster 3y ago>My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now Add my 87 year old grandmother to that list. Firefox->email, youtube, kroger, banking etc. These days most users just need access to a web browser via their OS.
- Workaccount2 3y agoTroubleshoot network issues using a GUI. That's the thing, linux is great for linux power users and absolute hands off users. Its terrible for people in the middle, and hence why it cannot get the ball rolling towards adoption for 30 year now. There are tons of tech literate people who know what a problem is, know what the fix is, but do not want to deal with climbing through forum posts and documentation to figure out the correctly structured command to do the actions (and how to unfuck if the command wasn't right). Just make fucking buttons, toggle switches and drop down menus.
- adambatkin 3y agoDebugging and troubleshooting a networking problem is approximately the same on Windows vs Linux (except that there are additional powerful tools available built-in to most Linux distributions). Which is to say that anything non-trivial likely needs a command line. Windows does have some graphical network troubleshooter thing, and I've let it do it's thing a few times, and it has never done anything (at least nothing noticable).
- Tactician_mark 3y agoAbsolutely agree. For most people, their entire OS is just now just a bootloader for their web browser. More and more I feel like downloading any program at all is treated like a "power user" task
- sukruh 3y agoFWIW ChatGPT is pretty good in generating the specific Bash incantations you need to perform if you describe what you want to do in plain English and don't forget to add the specific version of the OS you're using. Unless what you're trying to do is pretty advanced and would be cumbersome in any other OS as well. Learning specific API's are over. Mostly.
- joshspankit 3y agoDon’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I think you’re currently right and will be even more right in a year or two.
- ycombinete 3y agoYeah I used chatgpt to write the string for a cronjob yesterday, and then an awk script to parse the output.
- pdntspa 3y agoIf you didn't have that attitude you could have learned that stuff in the last 6 months and then you wouldnt have to worry about it. Also, "power user friendly" but hates CLI..... I see. You might have to hand in your power user card over that one I am a diehard windows user but the OS's affinity for burying settings in nested, labyrinthine setting dialogs gets old super fast.
- short_throw 3y ago"You could have learned that stuff in the last 6 months" "You might have to hand in your power user card over that one" And these attitudes are why most consumers almost exclusively use proprietary software. You have to let people be lazy to get mass adoption. Businesses know and exploit this, the foss world writes tools with steep learning curves and says "take it or leave it." And that's perfectly fine as long as we can be honest with ourselves: the vast majority of people will never invest the time to learn to use cmd line applications, or debug wifi drivers, or learn to use an environment that's more complicated than what they already have. Time is money so even a highly motivated person should question spending months to learn new tools. I love Linux for being superior for servers and hackable and having so much powerful software available for free...but if I weren't a software developer and I didn't enjoy this stuff there'd be no justification for the time I spent learning it.
- pdntspa 3y agoAnd when you look around you and realize that everything sucks, now you know why. Enshittification is real. Knowledge is the antidote...
- skeaker 3y ago> If you didn't have that attitude you could have learned that stuff in the last 6 months and then you wouldnt have to worry about it. The issue is that this has to scale to everyone if the goal here is mass adoption (meaning your family, maybe including your grandma, running Linux). If someone says "I don't have 6 months to learn this" or "I couldn't learn this even with 6 months to do so" and your goal is mass adoption, your action should be resolving whatever the roadblock is, not blaming the individual with the issue.
- dylan604 3y ago>power user...that never needs to pull up a CLI. What strange creature is this? Is it a mythical creature like a unicorn or closer to big foot?
- iraqmtpizza 3y agoThe ultimate power user is he who has CLI powers but does not need to use them