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The “year of the desktop” implies a solution for consumers, not professionals. That being said for almost every other kind of development Linux is by far the be

The “year of the desktop” implies a solution for consumers, not professionals. That being said for almost every other kind of development Linux is by far the best platform. I cannot develop on Mac anymore due to Apple making things more difficult in every update.

iraqmtpizza 3y ago
Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. This in combination with there being multiple poorly-documented ways to set environment variables and there being no GUI for any of them means that setting up for Java development is massively worse than Windows the instant you step outside of your IDE.
- nwallin 3y ago
  > Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. My package manager has the latest versions of maven and gradle. Ant is behind; upstream is up to 1.10.13 but my package manager only has 1.10.9.
  - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
    did you have to enter some magic string like ppa:chien that literally no one would ever know
    - Tmpod 3y ago
      I'd say they use a rolling release distro like Arch or similar, where packages are updated very often. In fact, I believe Arch even has a tool to seamlessly manage multiple Java installations.
      - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
        Maybe in 2054 Debian will figure out how to update packages.
    - nwallin 3y ago
      No. They're not in an overlay. They're in the primary, central repo. maven 3.9.4: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/maven-bin https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/maven-bin gradle 8.2.1: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/gradle-bin https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/gradle-bin ant 1.10.9 (upstream is 1.10.13): https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/ant https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/ant Oddly there's no overlay that has a more up to date version of ant. So even if I did want to enter magic strings, that wouldn't have helped.
      - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
        lol gentoo. that's not available in debian, bruh
- cornercasechase 3y ago
  I’m sure the versions in AUR are up to date.

iraqmtpizza 3y ago

Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. This in combination with there being multiple poorly-documented ways to set environment variables and there being no GUI for any of them means that setting up for Java development is massively worse than Windows the instant you step outside of your IDE.

nwallin 3y ago
> Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. My package manager has the latest versions of maven and gradle. Ant is behind; upstream is up to 1.10.13 but my package manager only has 1.10.9.
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
  did you have to enter some magic string like ppa:chien that literally no one would ever know
  - Tmpod 3y ago
    I'd say they use a rolling release distro like Arch or similar, where packages are updated very often. In fact, I believe Arch even has a tool to seamlessly manage multiple Java installations.
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      Maybe in 2054 Debian will figure out how to update packages.
  - nwallin 3y ago
    No. They're not in an overlay. They're in the primary, central repo. maven 3.9.4: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/maven-bin https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/maven-bin gradle 8.2.1: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/gradle-bin https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/gradle-bin ant 1.10.9 (upstream is 1.10.13): https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/ant https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-java/ant Oddly there's no overlay that has a more up to date version of ant. So even if I did want to enter magic strings, that wouldn't have helped.
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      lol gentoo. that's not available in debian, bruh
cornercasechase 3y ago
I’m sure the versions in AUR are up to date.