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>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all

>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.

nottorp 3y ago
But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.
- tssva 3y ago
  Visual Studio supports development for linux using remote linux machines, virtual machines or WSL for execution. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install-and-setup-the-linux-development-workload?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install...
- bee_rider 3y ago
  I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode. VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.
  - okanat 3y ago
    There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.
    - someNameIG 3y ago
      I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?
    - nottorp 3y ago
      Agreed, but all those features don't help at all if you are doing software for platforms that aren't Windows or apparently the major game consoles.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      Have you tried Vtune? I don’t do much profiling, so I’m not sure what exactly good is, but when I’ve played around with it, it seemed neat.
- gambiting 3y ago
  I'm a games developer - PS5/Xbox/Switch have excellent VS integration. And yes I mean the full fat VS.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Oh I didn't know that. Those versions aren't accessible for us plebs :)
    - Aaron2222 3y ago
      If you're referring to Visual Studio, then Visual Studio Community[0] is free (for individuals and "non-enterprise organizations") and is equivalent to Visual Studio Professional. [0]: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/ https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/
      - nottorp 3y ago
        The console SDKs. I know what Visual Studios are available for Windows. Until 18 hours ago I had no idea you can develop for Nintendo/Sony with it.
throw10920 3y ago
Out of curiosity, how does Visual Studio (proper) stack up against JetBrains tools, especially CLion?

>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.

nottorp 3y ago

But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.

tssva 3y ago
Visual Studio supports development for linux using remote linux machines, virtual machines or WSL for execution. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install-and-setup-the-linux-development-workload?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install...
bee_rider 3y ago
I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode. VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.
- okanat 3y ago
  There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.
  - someNameIG 3y ago
    I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Agreed, but all those features don't help at all if you are doing software for platforms that aren't Windows or apparently the major game consoles.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Have you tried Vtune? I don’t do much profiling, so I’m not sure what exactly good is, but when I’ve played around with it, it seemed neat.
gambiting 3y ago
I'm a games developer - PS5/Xbox/Switch have excellent VS integration. And yes I mean the full fat VS.
- nottorp 3y ago
  Oh I didn't know that. Those versions aren't accessible for us plebs :)
  - Aaron2222 3y ago
    If you're referring to Visual Studio, then Visual Studio Community[0] is free (for individuals and "non-enterprise organizations") and is equivalent to Visual Studio Professional. [0]: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/ https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/
    - nottorp 3y ago
      The console SDKs. I know what Visual Studios are available for Windows. Until 18 hours ago I had no idea you can develop for Nintendo/Sony with it.

throw10920 3y ago

Out of curiosity, how does Visual Studio (proper) stack up against JetBrains tools, especially CLion?