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What? By which logic? GrapheneOS is modified Google software. Almost everything in it is original software written by Google and distributed in hundreds if mil

What? By which logic? GrapheneOS is modified Google software. Almost everything in it is original software written by Google and distributed in hundreds if millions of Android systems.

oliwarner 3y ago
But open source and not compiled by Google. Much of that was somebody else's code before Google ingested and linked to it. I don't think it's accurate to treat Google as an indelible taint. Google's intentions are the problem, but they're fairly transparent so easy to bypass.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  You didn't want to use Google software. All android distributions are Google software. >Much of that was somebody else's code before Google ingested and linked to it. Not really. True for certain parts, e.g. the kernel, but Android is absolutely Google made. >I don't think it's accurate to treat Google as an indelible taint. You didn't want to use Google software.
  - oliwarner 3y ago
    We're not zealots. Not wanting Google to have and sell my data is not the same as not wanting to touch any binary that has code from a Google engineer. Stripping AOSP back, replacing external Google services, etc does that.
iinnPP 3y ago
Android is modified Linux software.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  No. Android is the Linux kernel with a huge amount of Java around it, which provide all the relevant services for a mobile phone.
  - iinnPP 3y ago
    Sure. GrapheneOS is the Android system with a huge amount of removed bullshit baked in, which provide all the meaningful privacy changes needed for a better mobile phone. The point is to abandon Google in every way that is reasonably possible. I obviously don't see much of a difference with Apple, nor Microsoft. What options remain that are reasonable in the effort applied and remain plausible in a competitive world? My answer was GrapheneOS. Yours is?
    - fsflover 3y ago
      > What options remain that are reasonable in the effort applied and remain plausible in a competitive world? Depends on what is reasonable for you. My answer would be GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone. Their development direction is not dictated by Google.

What? By which logic? GrapheneOS is modified Google software. Almost everything in it is original software written by Google and distributed in hundreds if millions of Android systems.

oliwarner 3y ago

But open source and not compiled by Google. Much of that was somebody else's code before Google ingested and linked to it. I don't think it's accurate to treat Google as an indelible taint. Google's intentions are the problem, but they're fairly transparent so easy to bypass.

constantcrying 3y ago
You didn't want to use Google software. All android distributions are Google software. >Much of that was somebody else's code before Google ingested and linked to it. Not really. True for certain parts, e.g. the kernel, but Android is absolutely Google made. >I don't think it's accurate to treat Google as an indelible taint. You didn't want to use Google software.
- oliwarner 3y ago
  We're not zealots. Not wanting Google to have and sell my data is not the same as not wanting to touch any binary that has code from a Google engineer. Stripping AOSP back, replacing external Google services, etc does that.

iinnPP 3y ago

Android is modified Linux software.

constantcrying 3y ago
No. Android is the Linux kernel with a huge amount of Java around it, which provide all the relevant services for a mobile phone.
- iinnPP 3y ago
  Sure. GrapheneOS is the Android system with a huge amount of removed bullshit baked in, which provide all the meaningful privacy changes needed for a better mobile phone. The point is to abandon Google in every way that is reasonably possible. I obviously don't see much of a difference with Apple, nor Microsoft. What options remain that are reasonable in the effort applied and remain plausible in a competitive world? My answer was GrapheneOS. Yours is?
  - fsflover 3y ago
    > What options remain that are reasonable in the effort applied and remain plausible in a competitive world? Depends on what is reasonable for you. My answer would be GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone. Their development direction is not dictated by Google.