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I loathe Zoom but wouldn’t that be the right call? The person who made the infringing content is responsible? We’ve already been through all of this with socia

I loathe Zoom but wouldn’t that be the right call? The person who made the infringing content is responsible? We’ve already been through all of this with social networks, no?

numbsafari 3y ago
The question I have is, what if my use during the call could be considered Fair Use in the context and with whatever intention I used it, but what if Zoom then uses it for some other purpose and in some other context that is not Fair Use, have I now taken on the burden of being responsible for however Zoom has chosen to use the content? So, perhaps, I would have been fine using it under the previous terms, but under the new terms, I need to be aware the Zoom may, at any point in the future, utilize it for some other, undisclosed, purpose there's no way that I can use it. How can anyone use Zoom at this point, considering the liability they are foisting onto their customers?
- afavour 3y ago
  Ah OK, that facet of it makes total sense to me. I should be responsible for copyrighted material I show during my call, Zoom should be responsible if they take data from that call and make some machine learning thing that later infringes copyright.
MobiusHorizons 3y ago
The concern I’m seeing is more about IP that the members of the call have legal access to, but which zoom does not. Things for which one must sign an NDA, or copyrighted material owned by the company. This is pretty different than someone using copyrighted material in a slideshow, which would be infringing material whether or not zoom is involved. I’m curious if there is a distinction between consumer and business accounts, although based on the responses here, I’m guessing there isn’t one.
snoman 3y ago
It’s not the same though. When you post on social media, you’re posting information publicly (or semi-publicly). When you say, or show, something on a zoom call, there’s an expectation of privacy between the participants of the call. Zoom is now saying no, there isn’t, because they’re going to use the content of your calls to train their AI.
- afavour 3y ago
  Yeah, sibling comment already made that clear. The post I was responding to was ambiguous.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  there's a comma between "artificial intelligence" and "training" so I could read that as permission to use your data in any sort of training (e.g. training customer support staff) though I guess it doesn't rule out using it to train an artificial intelligence.

I loathe Zoom but wouldn’t that be the right call? The person who made the infringing content is responsible? We’ve already been through all of this with social networks, no?

numbsafari 3y ago

The question I have is, what if my use during the call could be considered Fair Use in the context and with whatever intention I used it, but what if Zoom then uses it for some other purpose and in some other context that is not Fair Use, have I now taken on the burden of being responsible for however Zoom has chosen to use the content? So, perhaps, I would have been fine using it under the previous terms, but under the new terms, I need to be aware the Zoom may, at any point in the future, utilize it for some other, undisclosed, purpose there's no way that I can use it. How can anyone use Zoom at this point, considering the liability they are foisting onto their customers?

afavour 3y ago
Ah OK, that facet of it makes total sense to me. I should be responsible for copyrighted material I show during my call, Zoom should be responsible if they take data from that call and make some machine learning thing that later infringes copyright.

MobiusHorizons 3y ago

The concern I’m seeing is more about IP that the members of the call have legal access to, but which zoom does not. Things for which one must sign an NDA, or copyrighted material owned by the company. This is pretty different than someone using copyrighted material in a slideshow, which would be infringing material whether or not zoom is involved. I’m curious if there is a distinction between consumer and business accounts, although based on the responses here, I’m guessing there isn’t one.

snoman 3y ago

It’s not the same though. When you post on social media, you’re posting information publicly (or semi-publicly). When you say, or show, something on a zoom call, there’s an expectation of privacy between the participants of the call. Zoom is now saying no, there isn’t, because they’re going to use the content of your calls to train their AI.

afavour 3y ago
Yeah, sibling comment already made that clear. The post I was responding to was ambiguous.
SoftTalker 3y ago
there's a comma between "artificial intelligence" and "training" so I could read that as permission to use your data in any sort of training (e.g. training customer support staff) though I guess it doesn't rule out using it to train an artificial intelligence.