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> Everything works. ...if you're a software engineer. If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count.

baal80spam 3y ago
> If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count. But you can always use GIMP, right?! OK, this was a bad joke.
- yummypaint 3y ago
  To be fair this is adobe's fault. The only reason it isn't available on linux is because adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be. A VM with seamless windowing isn't a bad solution for running that kind of forcewear, compromising the whole host OS seems excessive.
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    Blaming doesn't fix anything. The real point here is that it's a political issue and the open source community is too infantile for politics so they keep lying to themselves instead.
  - heyoni 3y ago
    I wonder if it would work under a vfio system.
    - bravetraveler 3y ago
      Almost surely! Outside of seeing obvious signs like VirtIO devices, one can go to great lengths to hide the virtualization Similar tricks that work for the ESEA Anti Cheat client and Nvidia code 43 will likely suffice VFIO takes this a step further and provides one less virtualized device
      - heyoni 3y ago
        I really want to try VFIO and ditch my windows install completely but I'm worried about anti cheats. Nice to hear there are steps you can take... You have experience with this? If so, just wondering...are there linux distributions to avoid for VFIO? I'm between arch and NixOS, nothing too outside of the mainstream.
        bravetraveler 3y ago
        It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others. I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing. Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage. Perhaps with more determination, but I lost interest rather quickly. Not that into the game and Proton really hurt my VFIO involvement; the timing was unfortunate. There are some rote edits to the libvirt XML I can't recall. Both to get the nvidia driver to work (if applicable, look for 'code 43'), and to hide the VM state for anti-cheats. You'll generally be well served by your distribution of choice with modern kernels and QEMU/libvirt. I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!
        heyoni 3y ago
        > Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. That's kind of hilarious because my aging thing is manifesting itself in making me unable to play more complicated games. Like, I wish I could get into dwarf fortress or the new baldur's gate but always feel fried and opt for a round of call of duty (and now diablo 4). Those games are require 0 reading, it's all instinct and nothing in the game happens without some audio-visual feedback... The irony here is that I might take a deep dive into VFIO because call of duty is one of those games that will never work with Proton...I guess for you that was Valorant? These must all be the side effect of having kernel level anti cheat programs running on Windows and very dedicated anti-cheating teams. > I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new! I have a habit of setting up linux machines and forgetting the process. I'm hoping NixOS will help with that :D
  - the_lego 3y ago
    > adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be Could you elaborate? It was my impression they simply didn't care, but I never looked into it.
- cornercasechase 3y ago
  You can use Krita! It’s legitimately very good.
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    not industry standard, useless
    - cornercasechase 3y ago
      How is an amazing, advanced, free design program “useless”? If you can’t dictate the tools you use at work you should find a new job.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  GIMP's pretty good
  - trelane 3y ago
    Also, no cloud or subscription required.
eukara 3y ago
Creative Cloud has a web version of Photoshop[1] supposedly and then there's Office 365, which has been around for a good long while now. I suppose one could use those if need be. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Cloud#Desktop,_mobile,_and_web_services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Cloud#Desktop,_...
godshatter 3y ago
"don't count" as far as Adobe and Microsoft are concerned, yes. You can't blame the people that spend a lot of their free time trying to bring free software to a free platform for not coming up with something that can act as well as Photoshop or Word and fit in with their ecosystems well given the way those companies try to lock things down.
gambiting 3y ago
>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.
- nottorp 3y ago
  But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.
  - tssva 3y ago
    Visual Studio supports development for linux using remote linux machines, virtual machines or WSL for execution. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install-and-setup-the-linux-development-workload?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install...
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode. VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.
    - okanat 3y ago
      There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.
      - someNameIG 3y ago
        I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?
      - 3y ago

baal80spam 3y ago

> If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count. But you can always use GIMP, right?! OK, this was a bad joke.

yummypaint 3y ago
To be fair this is adobe's fault. The only reason it isn't available on linux is because adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be. A VM with seamless windowing isn't a bad solution for running that kind of forcewear, compromising the whole host OS seems excessive.
- OO000oo 3y ago
  Blaming doesn't fix anything. The real point here is that it's a political issue and the open source community is too infantile for politics so they keep lying to themselves instead.
- heyoni 3y ago
  I wonder if it would work under a vfio system.
  - bravetraveler 3y ago
    Almost surely! Outside of seeing obvious signs like VirtIO devices, one can go to great lengths to hide the virtualization Similar tricks that work for the ESEA Anti Cheat client and Nvidia code 43 will likely suffice VFIO takes this a step further and provides one less virtualized device
    - heyoni 3y ago
      I really want to try VFIO and ditch my windows install completely but I'm worried about anti cheats. Nice to hear there are steps you can take... You have experience with this? If so, just wondering...are there linux distributions to avoid for VFIO? I'm between arch and NixOS, nothing too outside of the mainstream.
      - bravetraveler 3y ago
        It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others. I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing. Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage. Perhaps with more determination, but I lost interest rather quickly. Not that into the game and Proton really hurt my VFIO involvement; the timing was unfortunate. There are some rote edits to the libvirt XML I can't recall. Both to get the nvidia driver to work (if applicable, look for 'code 43'), and to hide the VM state for anti-cheats. You'll generally be well served by your distribution of choice with modern kernels and QEMU/libvirt. I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!
        heyoni 3y ago
        > Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. That's kind of hilarious because my aging thing is manifesting itself in making me unable to play more complicated games. Like, I wish I could get into dwarf fortress or the new baldur's gate but always feel fried and opt for a round of call of duty (and now diablo 4). Those games are require 0 reading, it's all instinct and nothing in the game happens without some audio-visual feedback... The irony here is that I might take a deep dive into VFIO because call of duty is one of those games that will never work with Proton...I guess for you that was Valorant? These must all be the side effect of having kernel level anti cheat programs running on Windows and very dedicated anti-cheating teams. > I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new! I have a habit of setting up linux machines and forgetting the process. I'm hoping NixOS will help with that :D
- the_lego 3y ago
  > adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be Could you elaborate? It was my impression they simply didn't care, but I never looked into it.
cornercasechase 3y ago
You can use Krita! It’s legitimately very good.
- OO000oo 3y ago
  not industry standard, useless
  - cornercasechase 3y ago
    How is an amazing, advanced, free design program “useless”? If you can’t dictate the tools you use at work you should find a new job.
pdntspa 3y ago
GIMP's pretty good
- trelane 3y ago
  Also, no cloud or subscription required.

eukara 3y ago

Creative Cloud has a web version of Photoshop[1] supposedly and then there's Office 365, which has been around for a good long while now. I suppose one could use those if need be. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Cloud#Desktop,_mobile,_and_web_services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Cloud#Desktop,_...

godshatter 3y ago

"don't count" as far as Adobe and Microsoft are concerned, yes. You can't blame the people that spend a lot of their free time trying to bring free software to a free platform for not coming up with something that can act as well as Photoshop or Word and fit in with their ecosystems well given the way those companies try to lock things down.

gambiting 3y ago

>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.

nottorp 3y ago
But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.
- tssva 3y ago
  Visual Studio supports development for linux using remote linux machines, virtual machines or WSL for execution. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install-and-setup-the-linux-development-workload?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install...
- bee_rider 3y ago
  I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode. VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.
  - okanat 3y ago
    There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.
    - someNameIG 3y ago
      I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?
    - 3y ago