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It would be nice to see some actual research backing a claim like this.

SanjayMehta 3y ago
I’ve seen some papers referencing reddit in particular. You should be able to find them on scholar.google.com
zeroCalories 3y ago
The examples provided in the article seem fine. No one actually cared about the Taylor Swift drama despite it being all over social media. Bernie fans were greatly overrepresented online, and white male Bernie fans even more so. This is a real phenomenon, and it doesn't always occur, but it's a good reminder that you shouldn't take twitter discourse too seriously. What kind of data would you want to back it up?
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Bernie fans are mostly white men, they are overwhelming young too. The author said "this was shown to be false" but no source is provided.. and the author is wrong. (I suspect the author read a very misleading Vox article that makes the claim the author parroted) So if the author had done research and used sources, they may not have made a bunch of factual errors. [0] https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/09/politifact-california-did-bernie-sanders-win-people-of-color-in-california-and-was-it-not-even-close/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/09/politifact-cali... [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-defines-the-sanders-coalition/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-defines-the-sander...
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    Are you trolling me? Yes Bernie was popular among young white men, but they are one part of a larger coalition. Even the links you provided showed that he had plenty of support from minorities. Sure old black woman favored Biden, but they aren't the only other demographic. Characterizing his movement as mainly bernie bros is pure propaganda.
    - hn92726819 3y ago
      I can't tell who's trolling who now, but how stastics are worded is key here. The comment you replied to doesn't disagree with any of the claims you're making here are implying. From the second linked article: > although it seems Sanders’s base is hardly all white, it’s likely that no matter who wins the nomination ... a clear majority of their votes will probably come from white Democrats This directly contradicts the original article's quote: > there was no evidence to show that young white men made up a majority of Sanders’s supporters Additionally, the article's next sentence: > The movement, in fact, consisted of a diverse coalition of people from marginalized races and genders Appears to be an attempt at proving the majority isn't white, but it doesn't support that claim at all. It can be true that there was a diverse coalition of voters, and white people still make up a majority of votes. Then, of all your three claims, none of them disprove the claim that most Bernie voters are white. Everything you said could be true, but none weaken the claims of the comment you're replying to. I suspect at least someone here doesnt understand that "60% of Latino voters and 30% of white voters" doesn't imply "white is not the majority vote" (since, for example, 60% of 10 is significantly less than 30% of 1000).
      - zeroCalories 3y ago
        Yeah, it feels like you're trolling me. White vote, vs white men, is clearly different. America is a majority white country so obviously most votes will come from white people. Saying Bernie's support comes mostly from white men, as was claimed by the post I was referring to and the Bernie Bro narrative, is false.
        mistermann 3y ago
        Let's cut to the chase: quantitatively, what percentage of Bernie's support came from white men?
        vorpalhex 3y ago
        Do you think Bernie voters don't support their candidate? Even Bernie admitted and apologized for his campaign being focused on white males.
- paganel 3y ago
  > No one actually cared about the Taylor Swift drama The Swifties cared. Two close friends of mine, both of them Swifties, went to a The 1975 concert only because Healy had been linked to Taylor Swift. Said two friends live half a world away from the States and hadn't listened to The 1975 at all until all this scandal. They also are totally in the dark when it comes to ct, Adam Friedland or rs.
wuliwong 3y ago
I can't help with references for research about this but I was thinking that this is a somewhat related phenomena to statistics like how the majority of the content on wikipedia comes from a surprisingly small number of people. I believe there are some actual hard numbers around that. Not sure if anyone has tried to quantify and study what this article is talking about, though.
s1artibartfast 3y ago
One example that comes to mind for me and is pretty well documented is the defund police movement. The black population in the US overwhelmingly wants more police on the streets in their communities. The movement was popularized by a small minority of the very fringe view. Other people joined thinking they were standing in solidarity with the back community, but we're actually working against it's desires.

I’ve seen some papers referencing reddit in particular. You should be able to find them on scholar.google.com

The examples provided in the article seem fine. No one actually cared about the Taylor Swift drama despite it being all over social media. Bernie fans were greatly overrepresented online, and white male Bernie fans even more so. This is a real phenomenon, and it doesn't always occur, but it's a good reminder that you shouldn't take twitter discourse too seriously. What kind of data would you want to back it up?

vorpalhex 3y ago
Bernie fans are mostly white men, they are overwhelming young too. The author said "this was shown to be false" but no source is provided.. and the author is wrong. (I suspect the author read a very misleading Vox article that makes the claim the author parroted) So if the author had done research and used sources, they may not have made a bunch of factual errors. [0] https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/09/politifact-california-did-bernie-sanders-win-people-of-color-in-california-and-was-it-not-even-close/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/09/politifact-cali... [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-defines-the-sanders-coalition/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-defines-the-sander...
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  Are you trolling me? Yes Bernie was popular among young white men, but they are one part of a larger coalition. Even the links you provided showed that he had plenty of support from minorities. Sure old black woman favored Biden, but they aren't the only other demographic. Characterizing his movement as mainly bernie bros is pure propaganda.
  - hn92726819 3y ago
    I can't tell who's trolling who now, but how stastics are worded is key here. The comment you replied to doesn't disagree with any of the claims you're making here are implying. From the second linked article: > although it seems Sanders’s base is hardly all white, it’s likely that no matter who wins the nomination ... a clear majority of their votes will probably come from white Democrats This directly contradicts the original article's quote: > there was no evidence to show that young white men made up a majority of Sanders’s supporters Additionally, the article's next sentence: > The movement, in fact, consisted of a diverse coalition of people from marginalized races and genders Appears to be an attempt at proving the majority isn't white, but it doesn't support that claim at all. It can be true that there was a diverse coalition of voters, and white people still make up a majority of votes. Then, of all your three claims, none of them disprove the claim that most Bernie voters are white. Everything you said could be true, but none weaken the claims of the comment you're replying to. I suspect at least someone here doesnt understand that "60% of Latino voters and 30% of white voters" doesn't imply "white is not the majority vote" (since, for example, 60% of 10 is significantly less than 30% of 1000).
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      Yeah, it feels like you're trolling me. White vote, vs white men, is clearly different. America is a majority white country so obviously most votes will come from white people. Saying Bernie's support comes mostly from white men, as was claimed by the post I was referring to and the Bernie Bro narrative, is false.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Let's cut to the chase: quantitatively, what percentage of Bernie's support came from white men?
      - vorpalhex 3y ago
        Do you think Bernie voters don't support their candidate? Even Bernie admitted and apologized for his campaign being focused on white males.
paganel 3y ago
> No one actually cared about the Taylor Swift drama The Swifties cared. Two close friends of mine, both of them Swifties, went to a The 1975 concert only because Healy had been linked to Taylor Swift. Said two friends live half a world away from the States and hadn't listened to The 1975 at all until all this scandal. They also are totally in the dark when it comes to ct, Adam Friedland or rs.

wuliwong 3y ago

I can't help with references for research about this but I was thinking that this is a somewhat related phenomena to statistics like how the majority of the content on wikipedia comes from a surprisingly small number of people. I believe there are some actual hard numbers around that. Not sure if anyone has tried to quantify and study what this article is talking about, though.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

One example that comes to mind for me and is pretty well documented is the defund police movement. The black population in the US overwhelmingly wants more police on the streets in their communities. The movement was popularized by a small minority of the very fringe view. Other people joined thinking they were standing in solidarity with the back community, but we're actually working against it's desires.