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> The low end will have to live with what it's got. CPU integrated GPU is what's killing the low end. You don't need any more than that for desktop/light gamin
by dist-epoch 3y ago
> The low end will have to live with what it's got.
CPU integrated GPU is what's killing the low end. You don't need any more than that for desktop/light gaming.
- Dalewyn 3y agoI'm interested to see how the iGPU scene will pan out with Intel slated to integrate their ARC GPUs into their CPUs from the next generation. If iGPUs can get to punching in the same weight class as the RTX 3060s, that will be a paradigm shift for gamers and most household graphics users.
- sznio 3y agoI doubt an iGPU will ever be viable for gaming simply because it has to use DDR memory instead of GDDR
- bick_nyers 3y agoThrow some extra 3D cache and go to quad-channel memory and I think that would be enough for a lot of people.
- dragonwriter 3y agoIs there any reason a new CPU (and iGPU) generation couldn't use GDDR?
- Dalewyn 3y agoBecause some people will screech that the RAM is soldered and can't be upgraded; the laws of physics dictate that DIMMs degrade the signals too much for the speeds desired. Of course, if Intel puts more emphasis on ARC iGPUs I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see mobos come out with GDDR VRAM soldered on. Some people will definitely still screech, but they aren't important.
- dist-epoch 3y agoBasically the number of wires going to the memory. On discrete GPUs memory is placed in a circle around the GPU chip, each memory module connected with individual wires.
- dragonwriter 3y agoSo, my impression is you’d lose replaceable memory, and the total practical memory would be lower than the maximum practical RAM + VRAM in situation with a CPU with (LP)DDR and a dGPU with GDDR, but intuitively it seems like you’d get better performance than with an iGPU otherwise and still save on cost/performance (though cap performance lower) than a CPU + dGPU setup for lots of use cases.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago> If iGPUs can get to punching in the same weight class as the RTX 3060s This will never happen; a discrete card will always be faster. The interesting question rather is: will or when will iGPUs become fast enough for most purposes that currently still require a discrete GPU?
- nomel 3y ago> a discrete card will always be faster. And a Ferrari will always be faster than a Ford. But, for most people, the Ford is good enough to do what they want. The largest gaming segment (consoles) is already powered by APUs. Discrete GPU sales have been in a steady decline since 2009 [1]. [1] https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/29/sales-computer-graphics-cards-slump-lowest-level-two-decades/ https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/29/sales-computer-graphics-...