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That's the article we need What's AMD tools look like and what would it take to catch up with CUDA and I guess it does not depend on AMD alone, the cloud prov

That's the article we need What's AMD tools look like and what would it take to catch up with CUDA and I guess it does not depend on AMD alone, the cloud providers trying to get alternatives to Nvidia could be investing into this too

mschuster91 3y ago
There have been tons and tons of articles about AMD needing to wake the fuck up, but they seem to focus all their efforts into their console business - not without reason though, both major latest-gen consoles use AMD SoCs, and that's a fairly stable market compared to the boom/bust that hit NVIDIA hard with crypto.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The reason (IMO) that AMD will never make ROCm actually comparable to CUDA is so that they don't have to worry about their gaming GPUs cannibalize their data center GPUs. nVidia is stuck putting tiny VRAM pools onto gaming GPUs so they are less attractive as compute, and AMD doesn't want to put themselves in the same position. Maybe at one point they wanted to beat CUDA, but they are pretty happy with the feature segmentation now.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > The reason (IMO) that AMD will never make ROCm actually comparable to CUDA is so that they don't have to worry about their gaming GPUs cannibalize their data center GPUs. At least by revenue, consoles are now the leader in gaming anyway, the PC market is shrinking - the old dudes crowd is aging out of hi-perf gaming (due to work and having kids), and the young crowd is either on hassle-free consoles or mobile). And a lot of the "gaming" GPU marketshare of the last few years were coin miners. If AMD wants to be known for something else than tying their future to two large companies who can always hop back to NVIDIA, they absolutely have to step up their compute game to make sure they at least have the ability to pivot, should either of their deals with Microsoft and Sony fall apart. NVIDIA is the best example, it's a miracle Soldergate didn't sink them entirely a decade ago. [1] https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-gaming-dipped-to-923bn-in-2022 https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-g...
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      The Switch uses NVidia.

mschuster91 3y ago

There have been tons and tons of articles about AMD needing to wake the fuck up, but they seem to focus all their efforts into their console business - not without reason though, both major latest-gen consoles use AMD SoCs, and that's a fairly stable market compared to the boom/bust that hit NVIDIA hard with crypto.

mrguyorama 3y ago
The reason (IMO) that AMD will never make ROCm actually comparable to CUDA is so that they don't have to worry about their gaming GPUs cannibalize their data center GPUs. nVidia is stuck putting tiny VRAM pools onto gaming GPUs so they are less attractive as compute, and AMD doesn't want to put themselves in the same position. Maybe at one point they wanted to beat CUDA, but they are pretty happy with the feature segmentation now.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > The reason (IMO) that AMD will never make ROCm actually comparable to CUDA is so that they don't have to worry about their gaming GPUs cannibalize their data center GPUs. At least by revenue, consoles are now the leader in gaming anyway, the PC market is shrinking - the old dudes crowd is aging out of hi-perf gaming (due to work and having kids), and the young crowd is either on hassle-free consoles or mobile). And a lot of the "gaming" GPU marketshare of the last few years were coin miners. If AMD wants to be known for something else than tying their future to two large companies who can always hop back to NVIDIA, they absolutely have to step up their compute game to make sure they at least have the ability to pivot, should either of their deals with Microsoft and Sony fall apart. NVIDIA is the best example, it's a miracle Soldergate didn't sink them entirely a decade ago. [1] https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-gaming-dipped-to-923bn-in-2022 https://www.gamesindustry.biz/report-pc-and-console-global-g...
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    The Switch uses NVidia.