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I think the name "European" is badly chosen - there are many languages not represented there if you consider the whole Europe. This might be "western Europe" al

by vladms 3y ago

I think the name "European" is badly chosen - there are many languages not represented there if you consider the whole Europe. This might be "western Europe" although I am not an expert to confirm nothing is missing there either ...

hecatia 3y ago
Like, where are my macrons, tildes and hačky? I get it that not all characters from european language alphabets can be crammed into one keyboard but next time this should be correctly named for what it really is. Someday i might learn western eurpean language if i can challenge my willpower..
gog 3y ago
I see ČĆŠŽ missing from the layout, only Đ is here from the letters used in a Croatian alphabet, Slovenian as well, although they don't use Ć.
- cornholio 3y ago
  For Romanians and Moldavian I don't see: ă â ș ț î This is an impossible task, just use the standard "Programmers" layout for your language which maps to US and allows access to accented characters via modifiers. The entire notion of a "local" keyboard layout sounds like a nationalistic throwback to the days where the world was much smaller. Some languages really need it, but most using the Latin alphabet simply don't, just stick to US.
- arlort 3y ago
  I think you're supposed to use the composition key for those. Don't know how frequent they are in croatian though, so it might be impairing the speed at which you can type if they are very common
- hiichbindermax 3y ago
  You can get these with the composition keys. Shift+AltGr = ˇ and then hit the letter to compose them
kyriakos 3y ago
No sign of Greek on it either.
- column 3y ago
  Greek letters are supported using Alt Gr + M : https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download/windows/1.2/eurkey-layout-complete.pdf https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download/windows/1.2/eur...
  - zvr 3y ago
    These seem to cater for "math Greek". What about accented Greek letters (which almost every Greek word uses, to indicate where the emphasis is), or even final sigma?
jnsaff2 3y ago
Õ is also missing from Estonian.
- guiraldelli 3y ago
  And Portuguese. And that keyboard is, theoretically, focused on Western European languages.
voytec 3y ago
True. Lacks Polish ĄĆĘŁŃÓŚŻŹ/ąćęłńóśżź.
- guiraldelli 3y ago
  Any letter with ogonek is lacking, which includes į and ų. I find it (in)amusing that it contains "ij", which I understand is only used in Dutch, but it lacks letters with ogonek, which is used in at least two official European languages (Polish and Lithuanian), which amounts to around 48 million native/fluent people.
  - hecatia 3y ago
    I would like to tell you that 6,25% of 48 million speak Lithuanian
    - guiraldelli 3y ago
      Yes, I am aware of that. But my argument was meant in a different direction: ogonek is present in two official languages of the European Union, while "ij" is present in only one; still, "ij" got a dedicated key. That, alone, would be sufficient to state it is under-representing European languages. Then, for shocking comparison, I used population, which, obviously, has Polish as the biggest contributor. Still, 48 million is twice the amount of speakers that might ever use "ij" (estimated in 24 million worldwide), so I think the point is still valid. Besides, the keyboard layout is also advertised as meant for translators, and Lithuanian is special in this sense: as one of the oldest Indo-European language still in use, and considered by many the most conservative one, it is of interest for linguistic studies, which includes translation.

by vladms 3y ago

hecatia 3y ago

Like, where are my macrons, tildes and hačky? I get it that not all characters from european language alphabets can be crammed into one keyboard but next time this should be correctly named for what it really is. Someday i might learn western eurpean language if i can challenge my willpower..

gog 3y ago

I see ČĆŠŽ missing from the layout, only Đ is here from the letters used in a Croatian alphabet, Slovenian as well, although they don't use Ć.

cornholio 3y ago
For Romanians and Moldavian I don't see: ă â ș ț î This is an impossible task, just use the standard "Programmers" layout for your language which maps to US and allows access to accented characters via modifiers. The entire notion of a "local" keyboard layout sounds like a nationalistic throwback to the days where the world was much smaller. Some languages really need it, but most using the Latin alphabet simply don't, just stick to US.
arlort 3y ago
I think you're supposed to use the composition key for those. Don't know how frequent they are in croatian though, so it might be impairing the speed at which you can type if they are very common
hiichbindermax 3y ago
You can get these with the composition keys. Shift+AltGr = ˇ and then hit the letter to compose them

kyriakos 3y ago

No sign of Greek on it either.

column 3y ago
Greek letters are supported using Alt Gr + M : https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download/windows/1.2/eurkey-layout-complete.pdf https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download/windows/1.2/eur...
- zvr 3y ago
  These seem to cater for "math Greek". What about accented Greek letters (which almost every Greek word uses, to indicate where the emphasis is), or even final sigma?

jnsaff2 3y ago

Õ is also missing from Estonian.

guiraldelli 3y ago
And Portuguese. And that keyboard is, theoretically, focused on Western European languages.

voytec 3y ago

True. Lacks Polish ĄĆĘŁŃÓŚŻŹ/ąćęłńóśżź.

guiraldelli 3y ago
Any letter with ogonek is lacking, which includes į and ų. I find it (in)amusing that it contains "ij", which I understand is only used in Dutch, but it lacks letters with ogonek, which is used in at least two official European languages (Polish and Lithuanian), which amounts to around 48 million native/fluent people.
- hecatia 3y ago
  I would like to tell you that 6,25% of 48 million speak Lithuanian
  - guiraldelli 3y ago
    Yes, I am aware of that. But my argument was meant in a different direction: ogonek is present in two official languages of the European Union, while "ij" is present in only one; still, "ij" got a dedicated key. That, alone, would be sufficient to state it is under-representing European languages. Then, for shocking comparison, I used population, which, obviously, has Polish as the biggest contributor. Still, 48 million is twice the amount of speakers that might ever use "ij" (estimated in 24 million worldwide), so I think the point is still valid. Besides, the keyboard layout is also advertised as meant for translators, and Lithuanian is special in this sense: as one of the oldest Indo-European language still in use, and considered by many the most conservative one, it is of interest for linguistic studies, which includes translation.