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I don't find the post misleading at all: it points to a meaningful shift in OS adoption. See Mark's response here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/107

by cs702 15y ago

I don't find the post misleading at all: it points to a meaningful shift in OS adoption. See Mark's response here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1072#comment-394295 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1072#comment-394295

trotsky 15y ago
Debian and ubuntu are clearly two substantially different distributions with different packages, policies and goals. As are RHEL and Fedora. The only difference between Centos and RHEL is some branding and whether you paid a license fee.
- cs702 15y ago
  There's one other important difference between RHEL and CentOS: many enterprise applications are certified for the former but not the latter. (Many corporations and governmental organizations are not allowed by internal IT policy to use CentOS for critical applications.)
  - nknight 15y ago
    Those same, clueless organizations prohibit use of Ubuntu, too, because RHEL is the only thing they've certified. None of this changes how badly misleading and disingenuous Mark's statements are.
- Terretta 15y ago
  I'd like to toss Amazon Linux into the ring as well. I know we're moving our various cloud boxes from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS to Amazon Linux 2011.09 whenever we have time to spare. Access to the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) repository is pre-configured as well.
agwa 15y ago
Mark's response is kind of bogus: it's true that Fedora shouldn't be lumped with RHEL unless you lump Debian with Ubuntu, but you can't say this for CentOS. It's literally RHEL with all the branding removed (and no support from RedHat). However, the graph does point to a decline in the willingness to pay lots of money for a server Linux distro, which is an interesting trend.
- einhverfr 15y ago
  Is it just a question of paying lots of money for a distro? Or is it a question of the market decentralizing, and so vendor-centric solutions doing increasingly poorly? BTW, this back and forth proves what Heisenberg forcefully argued in his book, "Physics and Philosophy," that theorizing fundamentally involves projecting your own assumptions onto data you see. We all see the same graph. We get to argue to no end as to what it means.
- nkassis 15y ago
  If it's maketshare I assume the graph is in % and it could mean that there is a lot more servers being added and not a decline in installs of RHEL. I can see that with Amazon EC2 instances and other cloud platform Ubuntu would be really popular on those. Buying a RedHat license for you VPS instances might not be worth it but then CentOS vs Ubuntu would be more interesting there.

by cs702 15y ago

trotsky 15y ago

Debian and ubuntu are clearly two substantially different distributions with different packages, policies and goals. As are RHEL and Fedora. The only difference between Centos and RHEL is some branding and whether you paid a license fee.

cs702 15y ago
There's one other important difference between RHEL and CentOS: many enterprise applications are certified for the former but not the latter. (Many corporations and governmental organizations are not allowed by internal IT policy to use CentOS for critical applications.)
- nknight 15y ago
  Those same, clueless organizations prohibit use of Ubuntu, too, because RHEL is the only thing they've certified. None of this changes how badly misleading and disingenuous Mark's statements are.
Terretta 15y ago
I'd like to toss Amazon Linux into the ring as well. I know we're moving our various cloud boxes from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS to Amazon Linux 2011.09 whenever we have time to spare. Access to the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) repository is pre-configured as well.

agwa 15y ago

Mark's response is kind of bogus: it's true that Fedora shouldn't be lumped with RHEL unless you lump Debian with Ubuntu, but you can't say this for CentOS. It's literally RHEL with all the branding removed (and no support from RedHat). However, the graph does point to a decline in the willingness to pay lots of money for a server Linux distro, which is an interesting trend.

einhverfr 15y ago
Is it just a question of paying lots of money for a distro? Or is it a question of the market decentralizing, and so vendor-centric solutions doing increasingly poorly? BTW, this back and forth proves what Heisenberg forcefully argued in his book, "Physics and Philosophy," that theorizing fundamentally involves projecting your own assumptions onto data you see. We all see the same graph. We get to argue to no end as to what it means.
nkassis 15y ago
If it's maketshare I assume the graph is in % and it could mean that there is a lot more servers being added and not a decline in installs of RHEL. I can see that with Amazon EC2 instances and other cloud platform Ubuntu would be really popular on those. Buying a RedHat license for you VPS instances might not be worth it but then CentOS vs Ubuntu would be more interesting there.