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It says on his bio page that he was "blacklisted" from working. Does anyone know what exactly he's talking about there?

by morningsam 3y ago

sixthDot 3y ago
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- robocat 3y ago
  > He's a bludger Calling people names is not really the style of this site. And without actually knowing more about him, I suspect you can't know enough to make that highly judgemental call. Aside: I associate with a wide variety of people, some of which would be labelled bludgers by folk ignorant of those people's social value or circumstances. Their actual value to society varies tremendously. Note that welfare benefits are more accessible in New Zealand compared with many other countries. I also know plenty of working people I might personally think of as taking undue advantage of wider society.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
    > And without actually knowing more about him, I suspect you can't know enough to make that highly judgemental call. Counterpoint: OP does know him, and well enough to make the call. You probably don't know OP well enough to say one way or the other.
- esperent 3y ago
  Not wanting to work is a valid life choice. Western societies produce a massive excess of goods, we don't need everyone to spend their lives working.
- shrubble 3y ago
  There is this from Wikipedia: "In the 1980s under the chief executive officer (CEO) Kari Kairamo, Nokia expanded, mostly through acquisitions. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, however, Nokia corporation experienced financial difficulties. Losses were made in the television manufacturing division. In 1988, Nokian Tyres became a separate entity. Nokia's paper division was sold in 1989. In 1990, Nokian Footwear was a separate entity. During the rest of the 1990s, Nokia divested itself of all other businesses. In 1988, Kairamo committed suicide. Following his death, Simo Vuorilehto became Nokia's chairman and CEO. From 1990 to 1993, Finland was in recession. Vuorilehto made major changes to the Nokia corporation. The telecommunications division was stream-lined. The television and personal computing divisions were sold." So they were laying off a lot of people, and Timo had worked there for 6 years at that point. What really happened may be unknown, but given the time period it appears that a large amount of corporate restructuring was going on ...

It says on his bio page that he was "blacklisted" from working. Does anyone know what exactly he's talking about there?

sixthDot 3y ago

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robocat 3y ago
> He's a bludger Calling people names is not really the style of this site. And without actually knowing more about him, I suspect you can't know enough to make that highly judgemental call. Aside: I associate with a wide variety of people, some of which would be labelled bludgers by folk ignorant of those people's social value or circumstances. Their actual value to society varies tremendously. Note that welfare benefits are more accessible in New Zealand compared with many other countries. I also know plenty of working people I might personally think of as taking undue advantage of wider society.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
  > And without actually knowing more about him, I suspect you can't know enough to make that highly judgemental call. Counterpoint: OP does know him, and well enough to make the call. You probably don't know OP well enough to say one way or the other.
esperent 3y ago
Not wanting to work is a valid life choice. Western societies produce a massive excess of goods, we don't need everyone to spend their lives working.
shrubble 3y ago
There is this from Wikipedia: "In the 1980s under the chief executive officer (CEO) Kari Kairamo, Nokia expanded, mostly through acquisitions. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, however, Nokia corporation experienced financial difficulties. Losses were made in the television manufacturing division. In 1988, Nokian Tyres became a separate entity. Nokia's paper division was sold in 1989. In 1990, Nokian Footwear was a separate entity. During the rest of the 1990s, Nokia divested itself of all other businesses. In 1988, Kairamo committed suicide. Following his death, Simo Vuorilehto became Nokia's chairman and CEO. From 1990 to 1993, Finland was in recession. Vuorilehto made major changes to the Nokia corporation. The telecommunications division was stream-lined. The television and personal computing divisions were sold." So they were laying off a lot of people, and Timo had worked there for 6 years at that point. What really happened may be unknown, but given the time period it appears that a large amount of corporate restructuring was going on ...