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> > Musk is way too smart Is this your rational stance or you just want it to be true? Maybe because you are emotionally attached to SpaceX and Tesla?

rowanG077 3y ago
Is this a serious response? I have no attachment to any company Musk owns. I own/use not a single product they have made. Maybe, just maybe, it's you who is irrational here. Disliking a person you will never interact with because he has done a few things you disagree with. The guy has a double degree in physics and economics. The guy whose companies single handedly upended the car industry. The guy whose companies build the first viable reuseable rockets. Musk is definitely a weirdo. But denying his intelligence is wildly stupid.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America. Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to sit in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed. That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk. There's a reason why the saying 'The emperor has no clothes' is so popular, it's because something like this happened thosands of times throughout history. Guy gets incredible and once in a lifetime tailwind, gets a title and sits on it. People from all over the place come to meet the man with the unique title anticipating a world-shattering intellect/charisma or what have you and in the end they realize it was just a guy who had incredible tailwinds after all
  - rowanG077 3y ago
    > Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP Are you joking here? None of them are even remotely as successful as Musk. A president is not the founder of a country. It's incomparable. > Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America. You forget SpaceX, Neuralink, Boring company, Twitter, Paypal, OpenAI. > Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to get in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed. > That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk How is he exposed? Some internet haters are talking smack? Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes. If anything this makes the haters look even more irrational. What do you think it takes to create numerous highly successful companies? You don't need to talk to people to do that?
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      > > Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes And by running his wide mouth he has proven the to the world that all of that is in spite of him, not because of him. It's the equivalent of pop-stars trying to write their own songs or improvising on stage. They are nothing without the structure that propelled them forward, similarly Musk is nothing without luck, had he kept his mouth shut he'd have at least managed to fool those who are not familiar with the concept of survivorship bias, and apparently you seem to be one of them. To be clear I believe all the above applies to every billionaire not just Musk.
- cykotic 3y ago
  Musk is smart and a narcissist. He’s done more than a few things I disagree with and he’s done things that I think qualify for him to be called an asshole. Musk is and will forever be woefully underprepared to fight against someone with Mark’s training and level of fitness. His challenge to fight was childish and idiotic. Even smart people do idiotic things from time to time.
- lilaa 3y ago
  Musk lied about his degree (sources: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1SZerKotu3YRHtuPyqeCa3RJBZX8t9NbVSpkLdbHfCpE/ https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1SZerKotu3YRHtuPyqeCa...) He's a grifter and a narcissist who was very good at throwing money at the right companies and taking credit as 'founder'. I guess he is 'smart' in some sense, but not the kind he likes to pretend to be.
  - rowanG077 3y ago
    This is total misinformation. UPenn confirmed themselves he holds physics and economics degrees https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-t... It's just insane how Musk can spur such misinformation campaigns. It reminds me off the whole Obama birth certificate stuff. People are just not thinking right.
    - defrost 3y ago
      That's, ahh, a Bachelor of Arts Physics degree. That comes from a broad liberal arts education and attending "Physics for non-physics people" lectures. He's seen the Foucalt's Pendulum and heavy pendulum swinging at the head demonstrations but never had to get into the weeds with tensor calculations or most of the material B.Sc Physics grads would consider essential. It's more physics than a History graduate would typically see, but less physics than, say, an Engineering graduate would be required to do. It's technically a Physics degree, sure, but it's easy to see how many STEM people wouldn't regard that as an actual Physics degree.
      - rowanG077 3y ago
        I don't see why what you are talking about is relevant. I simply responded to the person saying he was spreading a fake story. Musk never claimed he had a Bachelor of Science in Physics as far as I know.
        defrost 3y ago
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  None of this is relevant to the topic at hand. You’re like a North Korean news broadcaster reminding us all of Dear Leader’s infinite glory. You challenge someone to a fight, then talk over two months how it’s happening, it’s definitely happening, in August, it’ll happen, definitely happening, and then back out… because you were not given enough time?! Your economics degree and car company doesn’t change anything of that.

rowanG077 3y ago

Is this a serious response? I have no attachment to any company Musk owns. I own/use not a single product they have made. Maybe, just maybe, it's you who is irrational here. Disliking a person you will never interact with because he has done a few things you disagree with. The guy has a double degree in physics and economics. The guy whose companies single handedly upended the car industry. The guy whose companies build the first viable reuseable rockets. Musk is definitely a weirdo. But denying his intelligence is wildly stupid.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America. Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to sit in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed. That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk. There's a reason why the saying 'The emperor has no clothes' is so popular, it's because something like this happened thosands of times throughout history. Guy gets incredible and once in a lifetime tailwind, gets a title and sits on it. People from all over the place come to meet the man with the unique title anticipating a world-shattering intellect/charisma or what have you and in the end they realize it was just a guy who had incredible tailwinds after all
- rowanG077 3y ago
  > Reagan, Bush and Trump were even more successful as they were at the helm of a 400M people country with a 20T GDP Are you joking here? None of them are even remotely as successful as Musk. A president is not the founder of a country. It's incomparable. > Tesla is what? A 80,000 people company with 90bn in revenue? Peanuts compared to the United States of America. You forget SpaceX, Neuralink, Boring company, Twitter, Paypal, OpenAI. > Point is you cannot hide behind your title, sooner or later you have to get in a room with other people and you have to speak, and if you say idiotic things people are gonna notice and call you out and you'll get exposed. > That's exactly what happened in the last 3 years with Musk How is he exposed? Some internet haters are talking smack? Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes. If anything this makes the haters look even more irrational. What do you think it takes to create numerous highly successful companies? You don't need to talk to people to do that?
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > Musk is swimming in money while his companies are racking up successes And by running his wide mouth he has proven the to the world that all of that is in spite of him, not because of him. It's the equivalent of pop-stars trying to write their own songs or improvising on stage. They are nothing without the structure that propelled them forward, similarly Musk is nothing without luck, had he kept his mouth shut he'd have at least managed to fool those who are not familiar with the concept of survivorship bias, and apparently you seem to be one of them. To be clear I believe all the above applies to every billionaire not just Musk.
cykotic 3y ago
Musk is smart and a narcissist. He’s done more than a few things I disagree with and he’s done things that I think qualify for him to be called an asshole. Musk is and will forever be woefully underprepared to fight against someone with Mark’s training and level of fitness. His challenge to fight was childish and idiotic. Even smart people do idiotic things from time to time.
lilaa 3y ago
Musk lied about his degree (sources: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1SZerKotu3YRHtuPyqeCa3RJBZX8t9NbVSpkLdbHfCpE/ https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1SZerKotu3YRHtuPyqeCa...) He's a grifter and a narcissist who was very good at throwing money at the right companies and taking credit as 'founder'. I guess he is 'smart' in some sense, but not the kind he likes to pretend to be.
- rowanG077 3y ago
  This is total misinformation. UPenn confirmed themselves he holds physics and economics degrees https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-t... It's just insane how Musk can spur such misinformation campaigns. It reminds me off the whole Obama birth certificate stuff. People are just not thinking right.
  - defrost 3y ago
    That's, ahh, a Bachelor of Arts Physics degree. That comes from a broad liberal arts education and attending "Physics for non-physics people" lectures. He's seen the Foucalt's Pendulum and heavy pendulum swinging at the head demonstrations but never had to get into the weeds with tensor calculations or most of the material B.Sc Physics grads would consider essential. It's more physics than a History graduate would typically see, but less physics than, say, an Engineering graduate would be required to do. It's technically a Physics degree, sure, but it's easy to see how many STEM people wouldn't regard that as an actual Physics degree.
    - rowanG077 3y ago
      I don't see why what you are talking about is relevant. I simply responded to the person saying he was spreading a fake story. Musk never claimed he had a Bachelor of Science in Physics as far as I know.
      - defrost 3y ago
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
None of this is relevant to the topic at hand. You’re like a North Korean news broadcaster reminding us all of Dear Leader’s infinite glory. You challenge someone to a fight, then talk over two months how it’s happening, it’s definitely happening, in August, it’ll happen, definitely happening, and then back out… because you were not given enough time?! Your economics degree and car company doesn’t change anything of that.